Wheels That Fail

CheeseheadEarl · Apr 26, 2015

Not at all flattering. Showed video of the P4 driving around as the announcer called it "The Disposable Plastic Car". I know it's entertainment, but jeeze.

FYI, episode is titled "Weird Road".

ElioDigger · Apr 27, 2015

Trolls are everywhere. Don't give them the time of day and they will leave

JEBar · Apr 27, 2015

the fact of the matter is, automobiles, motorcycles, boats, planes and trains are all pretty much built to use and move on .... some become collector's items but most end up in a junk yard where some are recycled .... in addition, the use of plastic parts sure isn't anything new

Lil4X · Apr 27, 2015

Talking this over on another automotive forum yesterday, we may be seeing the beginning of the end of private auto ownership. John Deere, among other manufacturers is claiming that you may buy one of there big tractors, but because of it's proprietary software load, they will retain "ownership" of the vehicle. Now GM is agreeing - it's all being perpetrated by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, or DCMA, a massive copyright regime passed by congress in 1998 that blurs the line between hardware and software.

http://www.wired.com/2015/04/dmca-ownership-john-deere/

The Cliff's on this proposal ends up being a case where you may have bought one of these incredibly expensive farm machines from John Deere, but that doesn't mean you actually own the license to it. GM, Ford and a number of other automakers are thinking along the same lines. There is now so much software code embedded inextricably in modern vehicles that purchasing one does not entitle you to ownership privileges of the hardware. You won't be able to tinker with it, you won't be able to modify it significantly, or even do much more than put gas in it and turn the key.

It appears the manufacturers are concerned with who gets stuck with the hot potato when the vehicle fails some federal standard test. If you've monkeyed with the hardware/software system, JD or GM doesn't know you. While it does make some kind of sense from the manufacturers standpoint of refusing to stand behind the work done by a private individual by enforcing an extended copyright law, the DMCA may make it illegal for you to do your own maintenance.

Your new car may own you, rather than vice-versa . . . in which case, Skynet has won.

CheeseheadEarl · Apr 28, 2015

Lil4x, I posted that same link or a similar one in the "OBD1 or 2" thread a month or two ago. It's total crap what they're pushing, and the first person to build an open source system that will do what the proprietary stuff does will be able to sign his/her own retirement check that week.

I wish I'd stayed on top of computers/electronics. Back in the 80s I was a guru. 3 years working for uncle Sam and not paying attention, and I still haven't caught back up.

As high tech as modern ag is, it's not that dang hard to make any of it happen. The computing power in a new 8R series Deere is about the same as what's in the phone I post from.

goofyone · Apr 28, 2015

Silas Sunday posted this response to the video:

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AriLea · Apr 28, 2015

CheeseheadEarl said:
Not at all flattering. Showed video of the P4 driving around as the announcer called it "The Disposable Plastic Car". I know it's entertainment, but jeeze. FYI, episode is titled "Weird Road".

One can take that badly, but it's got a positive tradition in the form of saying 'the Bic-Pen of (something)' The meaning was, it's so cheap you can afford to buy one, dump it when old and get a new one, super value for the price. But yes, combined with plastic car, that does sound a little demeaning. Yet still it can be taken two ways.

I do look forward to a future where there are any number of used Elio's. While new production exists, the used ones will be a total 'boon' for students, poor people or anyone needing a donor as a canvas to realize some dream. It will provide a whole new level of kit car products.

'lio · Apr 28, 2015

Lil4X said:
Talking this over on another automotive forum yesterday, we may be seeing the beginning of the end of private auto ownership. John Deere, among other manufacturers is claiming that you may buy one of there big tractors, but because of it's proprietary software load, they will retain "ownership" of the vehicle. Now GM is agreeing - it's all being perpetrated by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, or DCMA, a massive copyright regime passed by congress in 1998 that blurs the line between hardware and software.

http://www.wired.com/2015/04/dmca-ownership-john-deere/

The Cliff's on this proposal ends up being a case where you may have bought one of these incredibly expensive farm machines from John Deere, but that doesn't mean you actually own the license to it. GM, Ford and a number of other automakers are thinking along the same lines. There is now so much software code embedded inextricably in modern vehicles that purchasing one does not entitle you to ownership privileges of the hardware. You won't be able to tinker with it, you won't be able to modify it significantly, or even do much more than put gas in it and turn the key.

It appears the manufacturers are concerned with who gets stuck with the hot potato when the vehicle fails some federal standard test. If you've monkeyed with the hardware/software system, JD or GM doesn't know you. While it does make some kind of sense from the manufacturers standpoint of refusing to stand behind the work done by a private individual by enforcing an extended copyright law, the DMCA may make it illegal for you to do your own maintenance.

Your new car may own you, rather than vice-versa . . . in which case, Skynet has won.

That's also the case for other car components not only software, for example the battery, see: Renault will remotely lock down electric cars

Insisting that you are just leasing car parts from them, you have to tell them who the next owner is and if they don't like what you do, there goes "your" car. I am sure that this is not the only company that has tried to pull that off. On top of that, new cars constantly broadcasts your position to the manufacturer, as we have heard about in the case of Tesla...

RUCRAYZE · Apr 28, 2015

'lio said:
That's also the case for other car components not only software, for example the battery, see: Renault will remotely lock down electric cars

Insisting that you are just leasing car parts from them, you have to tell them who the next owner is and if they don't like what you do, there goes "your" car. I am sure that this is not the only company that has tried to pull that off. On top of that, new cars constantly broadcasts your position to the manufacturer, as we have heard about in the case of Tesla...

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Elio Amazed · Apr 28, 2015

Lil4X said:
Talking this over on another automotive forum yesterday, we may be seeing the beginning of the end of private auto ownership. John Deere, among other manufacturers is claiming that you may buy one of there big tractors, but because of it's proprietary software load, they will retain "ownership" of the vehicle. Now GM is agreeing - it's all being perpetrated by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, or DCMA, a massive copyright regime passed by congress in 1998 that blurs the line between hardware and software.

http://www.wired.com/2015/04/dmca-ownership-john-deere/

The Cliff's on this proposal ends up being a case where you may have bought one of these incredibly expensive farm machines from John Deere, but that doesn't mean you actually own the license to it. GM, Ford and a number of other automakers are thinking along the same lines. There is now so much software code embedded inextricably in modern vehicles that purchasing one does not entitle you to ownership privileges of the hardware. You won't be able to tinker with it, you won't be able to modify it significantly, or even do much more than put gas in it and turn the key.

It appears the manufacturers are concerned with who gets stuck with the hot potato when the vehicle fails some federal standard test. If you've monkeyed with the hardware/software system, JD or GM doesn't know you. While it does make some kind of sense from the manufacturers standpoint of refusing to stand behind the work done by a private individual by enforcing an extended copyright law, the DMCA may make it illegal for you to do your own maintenance.

Your new car may own you, rather than vice-versa . . . in which case, Skynet has won.

I don't know if any have been granted yet, but people are already filing patents on genetically altered animals.
If you don't already know, it's very old news for the plant kingdom.

Monsanto owns most of our crops, and therefore controls our food supply.
Most crops today are grown from patented seeds that have been genetically altered to resist "round-up".
Most processed foods contain one or more of the major crops that Monsanto sells seed for.
Monsanto has successfully made claims that there is some level of cross-pollination in non-Monsanto fields world-wide.
Saving any brand of seed from almost any harvest for subsequent planting has been considered theft by the U.S. courts for years.

Monsanto has actually had men in black suits, driving black SUVs, intimidating people all over the U.S.
And like the Borg, they either assimilate the people who resist them or leave leave those people in ruin.

Very serious efforts have been underway to own and control the worlds fresh water supply for some time.

Now this.

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