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Folks said:
Please note that I left the "but" in your quote out. The "but" in your quote is misplaced. When someone can make a simple statement of fact not opinion and it turns into banter may I suggest that the author is not the one bantering or stirring the pot! Announcing one's house is on fire is appropriate anywhere it's uttered. I'll do my part about no further comments if we all agree on that.

Truthfully I'm a little concerned for a guy not smart enough figure the problem he's going to have by pissing into the wind in the first place. He seems a little challenged to me. Oh Don't spit into the wind either or out your partially opened car window either. Heck I guess I'll have to confess to doing that more than once. Maybe those who take issue with my rather simple statement of fact should take the polite suggestion of others here and start a thread for all the bantering.
The only real pissing going on here, not a metaphor, is the Pres pissing on every law abiding citizen here. I might have to look it up but I think that is worse than pissing into the wind. The people that think it's just rain are the ones that need advice.
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WOW, that WAY too many words for this simple mind to figure out what you just said. :confused:

But whatever it was and whoever it was directed toward. . . . . . ; I will STILL stand up for you! :eek: :)
 
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pistonboy said:
Snipped: That is, the Ryden dual carbon battery.
I am an electrical engineer (EE) and only other EEs will see the significance of this.
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http://revolution-green.com/ryden-dual-carbon-battery/
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I have not read any of the post, but I saw this yesterday on another forum. I thought I would pass it along.
« on: November 20, 2014, 11:43:32 PM »
That is what is claimed we will have by 2017, according to an article titled “Berkeley team aims to give batteries a boost”, written by Jeremy Thomas (bayareanewsgroup.com). It seems that the DOE is funding a $120 million program to develop new battery technology at a new facility called the Joint Center for Energy Storage Research. This is a 14-member partnership led by Argonne National Laboratory, including Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Sandia National Laboratory and a number of other universities and private companies. In January, the Center's Berkeley hub is moving into the lab's new General Purpose Laboratory, bringing its battery scientists, chemists and engineers under one roof for the first time.

The team, headed by JCESR deputy director Venkat Srinivasan, aims to achieve revolutionary advances in battery performance, creating batteries with up to five times the energy capacity of current batteries at one-fifth the cost by 2017. Their plan is to replace lithium batteries with batteries made of cheaper, more durable materials, such as magnesium, aluminum and calcium.

Nearly two years into the project the researchers have narrowed down a list of 100 types of “beyond lithium” battery designs to a handful of promising concepts that are already in the prototype phase.

JCESR's principal investigator, Brett Helms is focusing his research on “flow” batteries that stores energy in a liquid solution of electrolytes that can be pumped through a membrane, generating power when they circulate and react with electrodes. Helms wants to use materials such as sulfur to create a battery with five to 10 times more energy than current flow batteries. He plans to have a working prototype of this battery design by the end of the 5-year initiative. The technology, says Helms, could be used to power electric vehicles someday.

The article mentions that adjacent to the Advanced Light Source building, Toyota has been researching Magnesium-ion batteries.

Using high-power computers, Srinivasan's team has whittled down the number of materials to a few that have sufficient energy capacity, are safe, cheaper and longer-lasting than lithium designs. Within the next year, Srinivasan hopes to have new materials ready for testing and prototypes ready by 2017.
 
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Johnny Acree said:
I have not read any of the post, but I saw this yesterday on another forum. I thought I would pass it along.
« on: November 20, 2014, 11:43:32 PM »
That is what is claimed we will have by 2017, according to an article titled “Berkeley team aims to give batteries a boost”, written by Jeremy Thomas (bayareanewsgroup.com). It seems that the DOE is funding a $120 million program to develop new battery technology at a new facility called the Joint Center for Energy Storage Research. This is a 14-member partnership led by Argonne National Laboratory, including Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, Sandia National Laboratory and a number of other universities and private companies. In January, the Center's Berkeley hub is moving into the lab's new General Purpose Laboratory, bringing its battery scientists, chemists and engineers under one roof for the first time.

The team, headed by JCESR deputy director Venkat Srinivasan, aims to achieve revolutionary advances in battery performance, creating batteries with up to five times the energy capacity of current batteries at one-fifth the cost by 2017. Their plan is to replace lithium batteries with batteries made of cheaper, more durable materials, such as magnesium, aluminum and calcium.

Nearly two years into the project the researchers have narrowed down a list of 100 types of “beyond lithium” battery designs to a handful of promising concepts that are already in the prototype phase.

JCESR's principal investigator, Brett Helms is focusing his research on “flow” batteries that stores energy in a liquid solution of electrolytes that can be pumped through a membrane, generating power when they circulate and react with electrodes. Helms wants to use materials such as sulfur to create a battery with five to 10 times more energy than current flow batteries. He plans to have a working prototype of this battery design by the end of the 5-year initiative. The technology, says Helms, could be used to power electric vehicles someday.

The article mentions that adjacent to the Advanced Light Source building, Toyota has been researching Magnesium-ion batteries.

Using high-power computers, Srinivasan's team has whittled down the number of materials to a few that have sufficient energy capacity, are safe, cheaper and longer-lasting than lithium designs. Within the next year, Srinivasan hopes to have new materials ready for testing and prototypes ready by 2017.
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Very interesting read. I have never been particularly interested in electric vehicles but like the idea that all sorts of alternative methods are being researched and actually offer potential. I know I won't see it, but I hope one day renewable energies such as solar and wind power can be harnassed for use in travel. I think that would be cool. :-) Z
 
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All the battery emphasis has been on propulsion batteries but there may be another use more achievable in the short term. Perhaps the Ryden dual carbon battery can be used to simply create a better replacement for the standard automotive 12 volt battery. Perhaps these other alternatives can do this. Since it does not have to have the capacity to propel the vehicle for miles, it may be more achievable more quickly. The standard battery has much lead in it which is heavy and not environmentally friendly. It would probably last much longer. I believe Porsche had something like this but it was more for image than practicality. I have eight cars and battery cost is important to me.
 
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outsydthebox said:
The problem (as I see it) with electric, is we still have to "plug in to the grid". So as more and more EV's are plugging in, our need for more and more power plants increases, and our COSTs for electricity will increase, too... They're gonna get us one way or another! :mad:
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Some utilities, including mine (El Paso Electric) have already set up special rates for EV owners that have lower pricing for charging off peak. This will allow utilities to serve the added EV loads by running plants when they would normally sit idle. More energy sales from existing infrastructure and taking advantage of these time of use rates are actually reducing overall bills in some areas.
 
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