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Mpg Matters, Regardless Of Gas Prices (original Elio Concept Reminder)

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Gas-Powered Awesome said:
Again, you are trying to apply macroeconomic forces to your personal microeconomic situation. That's not the way it works.
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Yes. I did. I know that isn't the way Macroeconomics works but think about what I posted... If my mileage doubled.. if EVERYONE's mileage doubled, do you think that EVERYONE would suddenly drive more than twice as far every year? I don't.
 
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Gas-Powered Awesome said:
If Tesla and the others are successful getting many people to buy electric cars, the load on the grid will be so great at 6 PM every night the power companies will have to bring every plant they have to maximum production, and likely re-fire mothballed coal and gas plants. Even extend the life of nuclear plants that are already decades past their design life. The price of electricity will also rise so much that gasoline will be cheaper to use. (Elio for the win then! ;) )

The electric industry has been undergoing deregulation, consolidation and major cost-cutting for more than 20 years. As the new deregulated and public electric mega-corporations (e.g. Exelon) prioritize "shareholder value" over system robustness, the grid has become more fragile with less headroom. Adding a few million electric cars that need 50 or so kilowatt-hours of energy every night will cause some, uh, "unplanned events". Think 1965, 1977, 2003.
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Gasoline powering my Elio will be cheaper than electricity powering a Tesla already! Albuquerque... already expensive.
 
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Horscoots said:
Don't care if Elio offers an electric motor as an option , but if they "convert" from ICE to Electric entirely , I am not interested at all in buying one .
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There is no way Elio would or should convert to electric only, but an EV option for some down the road works for some. Nice to have options for different market segments.
 
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Gas-Powered Awesome said:
If you want to reduce gasoline consumption the best thing you could do would be ban high-MPG cars. The Elio will increase gasoline consumption. Look up Jevon's Paradox. Cars are more efficient than ever, but we use more oil than ever: Paradox.
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false. To reduce gas/diesel consumption, which includes prolonging limited oil for a longer term, raise the tax on fuel to fund road, bridge, whatever projects, rather than the inevitable high price of fuel going totally to BigOil.
 
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satx said:
false. To reduce gas/diesel consumption, which includes prolonging limited oil for a longer term, raise the tax on fuel to fund road, bridge, whatever projects, rather than the inevitable high price of fuel going totally to BigOil.
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And the politicians will use the tax money on other things.
Just saw a road project where they were fixing one lane for half a mile.
There were eight large trucks, two pickups, a grader, and a roller along with half a dozen laborers.
And that's an efficient use of our tax dollars?
 
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Gas-Powered Awesome said:
If Tesla and the others are successful getting many people to buy electric cars, the load on the grid will be so great at 6 PM every night the power companies will have to bring every plant they have to maximum production, and likely re-fire mothballed coal and gas plants. Even extend the life of nuclear plants that are already decades past their design life. The price of electricity will also rise so much that gasoline will be cheaper to use. (Elio for the win then! ;) )

The electric industry has been undergoing deregulation, consolidation and major cost-cutting for more than 20 years. As the new deregulated and public electric mega-corporations (e.g. Exelon) prioritize "shareholder value" over system robustness, the grid has become more fragile with less headroom. Adding a few million electric cars that need 50 or so kilowatt-hours of energy every night will cause some, uh, "unplanned events". Think 1965, 1977, 2003.
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Further development of thin-film and solar panel technology to make residential solar less expensive...
And preventing the mfgs and installers from shamefully gouging the public and the existing subsidies...
Would help to make residential solar systems more competitive with conventional roofing prices.

That should be getting as much attention and money thrown at it as developing better EVs does.

I'm due for a roof and would put a solar system up in a heartbeat if I could even remotely afford it.
Even in the Northeast I'd still produce enough to charge an EV, heat my water and run my lights year round.
The available square footage and a huge part of the answer is right on top of us.

Greed and overpopulation are destined to be our downfalls if we don't change the way we think about things.
 
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Adamant said:
The US has over Three Trillion barrels of oil under its feet. All we have to do is get it.
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Proven oil reserves in the United States were 33.4 billion barrels of crude oil as of the end of 2013.
The United States Geological Survey (USGS) estimates undiscovered technically recoverable crude oil onshore in United States to be 48.5 billion barrels.

The United States has the largest known deposits of oil shale in the world, according to the Bureau of Land Management and holds an estimated 2.175 trillion barrels of potentially recoverable oil. Oil shale does not actually contain oil, but a waxy oil precursor known as kerogen. There is no significant commercial production of oil from oil shale in the United States.

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It seems a few OPEC countries have made "All we have to do is get it." a bit unprofitable for the time being.
 
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Ty said:
Gasoline powering my Elio will be cheaper than electricity powering a Tesla already! Albuquerque... already expensive.
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I would like to be in a position to test your theory. There is no Elio and I can't afford a Tesla. I need both a Tesla Model X as my primary vehicle and the Elio as my and vehicle.
 
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