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Rickb said:

The only worthwhile points regarding COVID-19 are made by non-partisan epidemiologists.

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Samuel Gompers said:

That is a totally incorrect, incredibly weak position.

It might fly in a dictatorship ruled by non-partisan epidemiologists, but only for a short while until the dictatorship imploded. Academic theoreticians don't have strong real-world track records, especially in regards to dealing with the predictions of the future.

In America, we do not elect non-partisan epidemiologists to rule over us with iron fists, to close business arbitrarily, to choose who will live and who will die by shuttering medical facilities and prohibiting gainful employment. We did not authorize them to burden us, our children, grandchildren, and future generations with massive debt. We do not chose to quit living because some theorists without practical experience throw out wild guesstimates as the clearly foretold future.

Just who are these "non-partisan epidemiologists" to whom you surrender all judgement and power? By name. Have you researched their track records and work histories? Have you observed their actual conduct, as opposed to just their words?

Again, if we are to believe only the points made by your non-partisan epidemiologists, who are they? What did they say and when did they say it?

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Samuel Gompers said:

Okay, I get it, you're scared, and you can't do math. FWIW, AR15's have magazines, not clips. Clips do exist, but they're not what you think they are.
Pulling a 1% risk rate out of your imagination is ridiculous. It's none of your business, but I'm barely under the supposed "should have to stay home 'cuz you're gonna die" age limit. Doesn't worry me at all. Also, I strongly suspect that I already had C-19 in Feb, before it was being heavily fearmongered here in the U.S.A. Didn't die, but did feel bad for 3 weeks, and really bad for 1 week. I "self-isolated" until I was better, and didn't try to shut down the lives of 20-30 million other Americans, nor did I ask for $6k+ of debt be saddled on everybody in the country.

The death rate for healthy people is closer to 0.01%. There is a big (2 orders of magnitude) difference between the real risk and your panic-driven, claimed, risk. And yes, I am quite willing to run it. In AZ, I'm surrounded by armed people on a regular basis. You are too, even if you are unaware. They aren't shooting me, and they aren't shooting you. No blood running in the streets like was predicted before Constitutional Carry was passed here ~10 years ago.

Fear-mongering is about control. We are seeing similar death rates from the flu, but thankfully haven't gone into suicidal Chicken Little mode over fear of the flu. We lose 40K+ people in the States to traffic deaths. We know that, and could avoid almost all of those by enacting 5mph speed limits. Fortunately, we haven't gone that insane, though I do remember the 55mph NSL fiasco.

I ride a motorcycle. Far higher risk of me dying in a motorcycle crash that of C-19, but I still ride. I'm an ATGATT kind of guy, but I oppose draconian helmet laws and oppressive fines for rational rates of travel. I wear the gear because of the laws of physics, not because uninformed bureaucrats think they can save me.

All the models that fill you with such fear have been wrong, and are wrong, and will continue to be wrong. Fear and greed sell. Always have, always will. So yes, I'm sad for people who buy into both fear and greed.

I've camped in bear country. I live in an area infested with illegal aliens. I've lived around poisonous snakes. I ride motorcycles knowing that there are drunks and phone obliviots out there that could kill me. Life is full of risk, and it is still wonderful, and still worth living. With joy, and not with fear.

It's time to go back to work. America was built by people who faced their fears, huge risks, wars, death, disease, and trouble of every kind. Nobody gets out of this alive. Heroes and cowards all face death, and are defeated in the end. For those of us who understand, death is not to be feared, because it has already been defeated.

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Samuel Gompers said:

That is a totally incorrect, incredibly weak position.

It might fly in a dictatorship ruled by non-partisan epidemiologists, but only for a short while until the dictatorship imploded. Academic theoreticians don't have strong real-world track records, especially in regards to dealing with the predictions of the future.

In America, we do not elect non-partisan epidemiologists to rule over us with iron fists, to close business arbitrarily, to choose who will live and who will die by shuttering medical facilities and prohibiting gainful employment. We did not authorize them to burden us, our children, grandchildren, and future generations with massive debt. We do not chose to quit living because some theorists without practical experience throw out wild guesstimates as the clearly foretold future.

Just who are these "non-partisan epidemiologists" to whom you surrender all judgement and power? By name. Have you researched their track records and work histories? Have you observed their actual conduct, as opposed to just their words?

Again, if we are to believe only the points made by your non-partisan epidemiologists, who are they? What did they say and when did they say it?

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Samuel Gompers said:

"Safe" is about control. One thing you did get correct - self-interest is the biggest motivator for Americans. We believe in freedom. In Arizona, the hospitals are not overcrowded, they are laying off workers. The curve has been flattened for some time. If you aren't over eighty, deathly ill already, morbidly obese, or living in a nursing home, your chance of dying of Covid-19 is infinitesimal. The UV is sunlight kills viruses, but you see people outside wearing masks in the sun.
The original fears had some basis, because the facts weren't known. Now they are available, but there is a lot of suppression. YouTube pulled the video of Dr Erickson & Dr Massihi because the had actual facts and didn't toe the official propaganda line.
We don't get mad seeing people in masks. We understand that you are afraid. We understand that you can't do math, science, statistics, nor do you understand risk. We are sad for the mask wearers, we aren't mad at them.

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Ty said:

Did you stop to think the mask wearers are wearing their masks for YOUR protection and not theirs? I'm getting paid a ridiculous amount of money as an analyst and I am currently tracking COVID-19 (and all this type of mis-information). It's disheartening seeing what ignorant people post in social media about the Corona Virus... Everyone thinks they are an expert or they think that somehow they've figured out how to do real research and have somehow become smarter than the real experts. Exasperating, it is.

The mask I'm required to wear at work and in stores is NOT to protect me from the Corona virus, it's to protect YOU. Everyone expells water when they talk and breathe and simple cotton masks stop a LOT of that from spreading. We know we won't stop this thing from spreading just like we haven't stopped the regular flu from spreading but we can (and are being successful at it) slow down the spread so that our medical community can deal with it.

"But, our hospitals are half empty right now." No shit. That's because it's working. You don't cut your parachute cords once you've slowed down...

"The doctor said if I didn't get a shot, the infection would spread through my body and kill me. I got the shot but I'm not even sick. My doctor must be dumb."

I'm sure there will be a bunch of people even here who suddenly think they know more than me and will shout me down. But you know what? You probably don't. I get paid a LOT to be tracking this so I'm VERY well aware of what is going on. AND, I have access to systems that you don't. But still, some will assume I'm making things up (My cousin's barber's kid knows a guy whose neighbor...) and that's a headache I'd rather avoid most of the time. So, go ahead, make fun of people wearing masks around other people and "feel sorry for them" and how "they are afraid" (We aren't. We are just being socially responsible for YOUR idiotic views). Now, wearing a mask while driving alone... Yeah, that's pretty dumb.

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Made in USA said:

Saw gas down to $0.99 the other day. Today it is about $1.20

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Samuel Gompers said:

3wheeling - the vast majority of people who get c-19 will be asymptomatic. That makes you more afraid, and me less so. Here's a disease that most people get immunity (herd and personal) with no ill effects. It very much discriminates who it will kill - very old, morbidly obese, knocking on death's door, comoridities, etc. Little to no risk to healthy people.

Ty - I agree that you are getting paid a ridiculous amount of money to perpetuate fear. We were told that the shutdowns were to keep from overloading the hospitals. You get paid, while hospital workers get laid off, and people are dying because they aren't getting needed non-C-19 treatment. That is wrong. I'm sorry you don't understand that. As for the masks protecting "me", that's ridiculous. That is not how humans operate. People are wearing masks thinking that they are protecting themselves, even though it is kabuki theater.

Rickb - as expected, you didn't give us the names and track record of your experts. At best, your faith in random, unnamed experts is misplaced.

COVID-19 Briefing: Current Quarantine Approach Wrong Based on Science | Dr Erickson & Dr Massihi Pt1 - YouTube

(censorship in action - 5m views)
Article on the interview
https://www.aier.org/article/open-up-society-now-say-dr-dan-erickson-and-dr-artin-massihi/
Alternate source for the banned video
https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/29/watch-dr-erickson-covid19-briefing-censored-by-youtube/

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Elio Amazed said:

Germany is closing a lot of areas back down only three days after opening their country back up. Strange. Even though the virus often has an incubation period of up to several weeks after exposure. cases surged there in the three days since the re-opening.

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