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    Arcimoto

    Arcimoto questions: 1. When is the $11,900 model coming out? 2. When are the full doors coming out? 3. When will they allow residents of PA to buy one? Please do not answer "soon". That's too much like an elioism.
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    My Elio Alternate Project Is Underway.

    I need to clarify. A company (Vanderhall) started in 2010 and had a consumer product in 2016. It took them six years to get to production for three wheeler. Arcimoto took twelve years to do the same exact thing. Last time I checked, to get fully certified takes the same effort whether you have a...
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    My Elio Alternate Project Is Underway.

    We also need to remember that Tesla started the S project in 2006 and released it in 2012. Six years for a startup to a fully certified car (much harder than a three wheeler) that went on for sale to the general public nationwide. I know these wre super expensive products but they have to abide...
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    My Elio Alternate Project Is Underway.

    Let's not forget, Vanderhall did the same thing in half the time of Arcimoto. Then didn't do it with selling stock or reservations. Plus, 12 years into their business, Vanderhall sells all over the US and Austrailia with a dealer, parts and service system in place.
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    Aptera SOL

    Looks like they are still in the R&D stage as opposed to a final signed off design ready for production. Good thing is, you can fool the general public into thinking it's ready to go (make the outside look slick and an interior but not cover the nitty gritty of the undercarriage). If you get...
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    Aptera SOL

    What I have found out is that three wheeled startups promise big things and deliver with the key word "soon". They are happy to take your reservation money too. Only oddball is Vanderhall. Private funded and they didn't ask for your money up front. Plus they did it in record time. So the issue...
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    Aptera SOL

    The Aptera building is 77,147 sq ft. Here's it's listing from a few years ago: https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/5818-El-Camino-Real-Carlsbad-CA/19689339/ Vanderhall broke ground on a 1,000,000 sq ft factory over a year ago where they can build up to 25K per year...
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    Squashed like a bug.

    So you now own one as we are well into Q2 of 2022. How are the half doors? What’s the real world mileage? Will the let you return the half doors and get the full ones? When do the full doors come out. I’m looking for a date as that’s much better than just glossing over the details. Also, Road...
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    Squashed like a bug.

    So, the FUV does not meet your needs.
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    Aptera SOL

    Aptera Address: 5818 El Camino Real, Carlsbad, CA 92008
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    Squashed like a bug.

    Why pay 50% more for a product today? Plus, they need to crank through 5600+ reservations first and then if you live in a banned area like where I live, then it's a complete mystery as to when it'll ever be available. For you on the other hand, can buy one today yet you refuse to do so because...
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    Squashed like a bug.

    I can't find any information that is current when it comes to this $11,900 model. I did find this: 498 FUV's sold to customers since the release in Q3 2019 5,662 pre orders (they lost 112 pre orders in 2021) Base price is $17,900 Avg price is $20,229 773 pre orders of the MLM Sales volume needs...
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    Squashed like a bug.

    From day one, Paul wanted major investors. When Elio Motors was founded back in 2008 to the end of 2012, those major investors never came about. After his failed attempt with Pontiac, MI, he went the route of a desperate town of Shreveport that was in panic mode due to the beloved GM plant...
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    Arcimoto

    Expand upon this as I'd like to know why this is a much better idea.
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    Arcimoto

    That's a Gen 6 FUV. As documented here: https://www.arcimoto.com/history Video of it from 2013.
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    Microlino

    It starts at $15K USD. Has 4 wheels and only 56 miles of range. Will never be sold in the US.
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    Regional Fuel Prices

    Spent the last two weeks in Germany. The gas station down the street from me in Frankfurt was at $9.20/gal for regular. $9.35/gal for diesel. Typically diesel is cheaper than gasoline as it's taxed less there but since the demand for diesel is high, it has flip flopped on the price. Back in 2020...
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    Shreveport news

    There you go. I noticed on Sunday that they issued another SEC filing (which I got this from). Just search it and you'll see. Company is a train wreck. They are done but just only keeping it going so Paul and the other employee can get a paycheck until they declare bankruptcy. They literally are...
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    My Elio Alternate Project Is Underway.

    None of this matters until we see real world numbers and according to an accepted spec. I guess what bothers me is I have to live by a different standard. I sell a piece of equipment I designed and built, it must get the numbers that the customer asks for. Paul never did that. It's easy to make...
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    The Nobe

    How far did you have to drive to jump in a FUV? Plus, the FUV has not crossed the finish line according to your specs as you still won't buy one until they make full doors. I'm confused as to why this has taken so long for them to do. They have half doors. Why not finish the other half? What I...
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