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I remember clearly Paul Elio mentioned in an interview that he was speaking that day with the Hot Wheels people to make a 1:63 Elio Hot Wheels. It's on YouTube somewhere, 'cause I saw it there.

Musk isn't getting rich off of Tesla. He's spent on Tesla. He will someday get REALLY rich off Tesla, but not today. He wants to electrify the car world. He's all down for cheap electric cars, but he's not interested in that segment at the moment, if ever; the Model 3 is his cheapie. He has to...

They can make more money not doing that. It's not about making money: you can. They can just use their money to make trucks and SUVS, and make more money because the profit on a $40,000 pickup truck is something like 50%? 20 grand? On a small car, they can't jack the markup that high. American...

I've been watching the alt-money movement since it popped out Bitcoins ten years or so back. I understand how the tech works. But once it enters this space my mind breaks. Damned few people get it, and some of those are plain ideologues and I discount their notions. But I know some people are...

Except that they aren't, it seems. A few are doing it: Sondors, that outfit in Canada. But they won't enter mass-production any time soon. And they've no experience in mass-production, which is a brutal experience, by all examples. Elio's advantages are: Everyone knows who they are by now, for...

The window is narrow and Elio is not only on the ropes, it's on the floor outside the ring being kicked in the ribs by its fans. I keep thinking: this would be an excellent move. Elio and Tesla. Hear me out: Elio needs a couple hundred million. Tesla has that. Elio didn't get the ATVM loan...

They sell all those cars at a loss.

The thing about the alt car startups such a Elio, Aptera, and Carbon, is that there aren't any other baskets. Investors can make more money playing derivatives casinos than if they put their money into low volume low-to-no profit startups. Elio mentioned this ruefully years ago in an interview...

The obvious weakness in this plan is that I don't think more than a few hundred people in the world understand what it is. I'm sure Paul Elio and the others are kicking themselves for not grabbing a few thousand bitcoins ten years or whatever ago.

I am up against a subject about which, other than how the tech works, I know nothing about. Elio is flying in skies I don't have a map for.

Well said.

I want the autocycle (I keep saying autocar, sorry) to roll off a line just to see, once, a bloody win for a good guy, not to mention all the people who worked so hard to get such a sane thing made. This, this that happened with the ATVM thing, that is what happens when no one is driving the...

If Tesla was ever shennaniganed out of business, these manufacturers would drop the electric car lines immediately. They really really really don't wanna. Damned shame, really. The one time I spoke to Elio's head of...engineering, was it? he expressed great interest in making an electric Elio...

The plan was the loan. The people here won't "lose money", as the deposts are in escrow. There are no other sources of money for a low-margin autocar, not for the 300+ million they would need now. The ATVM loan people could fix this tomorrow. There is no plan, no leadership style, no MBA magic...

Oddly, the broke person needs the loan most. Which metaphor applies quite perfectly to how the ATVM loans were distributed. And out of all the rich loan recipients, only Tesla paid their loan back. Ford has over 20 billion in cash, and they haven't paid their ATVM loan back - nor have they made...

For cripes, sake, there is no mystery here. They can't get the ATVM people to budge on the two billion in cash they have to lend. The loan board think they are caretakers of a capital fund rather than tech enablers. Elio is operating on literally no cash, and this is the last chance.

Reason has little to do with this, sadly.

Well...the idea was never about getting rich. Selling low margin low price cars for Everyone Else is a calling, more like the old days when someone wanted to have a company and a decent living, rather than today, when it's all about the IPO and making billions. That's why no one wants to invest...

with what money??

Seriously. They needed, and expected, the ATVM loan. So did Aptera, Carbon Motors, and many others. No one got one after 2010. As for Paul's abilities, the sheer tenacity and committment to hold on so long in the face of such adversity shows me if he has the cash, he will drag those finished...