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  1. slinches

    "powers To Be" In The Auto Industry Are Keeping 10k Priced Products From Coming To Market

    The implied meaning is that it's half the width than if they had designed it with side by side seating. I think it seems reasonable that they could get close to their targets. I guess we will find out the actual mileage when/if it goes into production and we get real world numbers from regular...
  2. slinches

    "powers To Be" In The Auto Industry Are Keeping 10k Priced Products From Coming To Market

    The physics of the "half the width, double the mileage" makes some sense for highway mpg. In a light vehicle like the Elio, the majority (but not all) of the energy requirements for cruising at higher speeds is aerodynamic drag. If cutting the width in half means that there's half the frontal...
  3. slinches

    Arcimoto

    Here's hoping he is just having so much fun driving(riding?) it that he doesn't have time to post here.
  4. slinches

    How This Radical Car Missed Its Chance To Change The World - Maybe!

    If Elio can produce a vehicle with a similar build quality and reliability as that Spark anywhere close to the target price and mileage, then the PR hole they have dug will vanish in a hurry. Yes, it's a long shot at this point to get the funding. But that doesn't mean that the idea behind the...
  5. slinches

    How This Radical Car Missed Its Chance To Change The World - Maybe!

    That if the Elio ends up having less than half mpg and costs 66% more than the projected msrp, then it wouldn't sell well. Trying to compare the Elio to any existing car is a wasted effort. The combination of fuel efficiency and low cost fundamentally changes the economics of owning vehicles...
  6. slinches

    Aptera

    You can't buy an Aptera yet either so they aren't in that different of a position, but that wasn't the point. I never said the engineering was inferior, rather the opposite. It's better engineered, but focuses on the wrong type of efficiency for the product platform. The only selling point is...
  7. slinches

    Aptera

    Not to be a downer, but while the Aptera is cool and has a lot of really great technology concepts, this thing is an exercise in impractical engineering. It's hyper-efficient, but the cost of obtaining that efficiency is so high that you could buy three Elios and drive them for over 200k miles...
  8. slinches

    I Think I Finally Found The Fabled '$1,000' Profit Per Autocycle Sold Claim...

    If the vehicle production cost was really $10k, they wouldn't have locked in so many reservations at the $7300 mark. With inflation and redesigns, they may not have much margin left on those, but I think they should still be able to get $3k profit per Elio around a $10k base price.
  9. slinches

    Electric Vehicles Have Reduced Range In Cold Weather

    Anyone who didn't expect that hasn't been paying attention. Your cell phone battery dies quicker in the cold, why wouldn't your EV?
  10. slinches

    Arcimoto

    True. In my opinion, the motorcycle controls and higher cost shrink the market considerably compared to the Elio, but there's no denying that a fully enclosed and climate controlled Arcimoto will make an excellent commuter vehicle. I'd consider getting one if we had the same subsidies available...
  11. slinches

    Arcimoto

    I'm sure that Arcimoto reservationists would not consider those other vehicles as each of them fills a different niche. The thing that separates the Elio from everything else in the 3-wheel segment is that its "niche" is anyone who commutes by car.
  12. slinches

    Eliocoin Is Very Puzzling.

    STOs can be a stock equivalent, but they don't have to be. The only thing they have in common is a cryptographically secured token and cryptocurrency-like exchange capabilities. What they represent is up to the issuer within the limitations of financial laws and SEC approval. It could be...
  13. slinches

    Does The Elio Make Sense As An "and" Car?

    If you think the car is a great idea and you could do better, then do it. Seriously, there's nothing stopping you. Elio didn't patent anything on the vehicle. There's no novel technology to invent and he even got many of the regulatory hurdles out of the way for you. It should be much easier...
  14. slinches

    Elio, Dept Of Energy Funding And Political Action

    As far as demand goes, I think there's a key piece that is missing when comparing to any current car on the market. The price is half or less. All of those people who never could have afforded a new car before can afford an Elio. That and fleet sales could be huge. How many single occupant...
  15. slinches

    Arcimoto

    I have mixed feelings about that law. The removal of the helmet requirement makes sense as helmets and seat belts don't function well together without a HANS device. The issue I have with it is that automotive controls and handling are quite different from motorcycles. If a vehicle operates...
  16. slinches

    Elio, Dept Of Energy Funding And Political Action

    How much money Elio has now or can have in the immediate future is dependent on how much the people with money to invest think Elio can make in the long term. So, a discussion of the potential profitability is relevant.
  17. slinches

    Elio, Dept Of Energy Funding And Political Action

    1663.80*65k = $108,147,000 1663.80*125k = $207,975,000 1663.80*250k = $415,950,000 ~15% margin doesn't seem that bad to me. They can recoup the startup costs in the first couple of years of production. I personally think the sales numbers can be sustained at least at the 125k mark...
  18. slinches

    What Is The Latest Start Production Date?

    Yes, they would eventually need to transition to direct sales. Although, the upfront payment would include the profit on those vehicles as well. There would also be additional income from options on that initial batch of vehicles to help. It is possible that it could lead to a shortfall at...
  19. slinches

    What Is The Latest Start Production Date?

    It doesn't necessarily have to be a loan. We could come to an agreement with Elio on how the investment would work. And we don't have to stop at the $256Million that Elio says they need. Make it $350Million (40k* $8750) to ensure there's room to cover unexpected costs.
  20. slinches

    What Is The Latest Start Production Date?

    I would as well as long as the money is held in escrow and only released if the full production funding is raised. On that note, why don't we do it ourselves? If a few of us and 40,000 or so of our closest friends were to commit the base price of the Elio to a collective fund, we could...
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