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Actually I saw a very old Elio article that was 60mpg. I would be disappointed if our government gave the loan for a product that couldn't verify their mileage claim of over 75mpg. I would think modeling would maybe be OK, but who knows what the government has seen and not seen.

Here is an overview. I see the 75mpg that I remember hearing listed in it. Elio hasn't proven that. http://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2015/02/f19/ATVM_Program_Overview_2015.pdf

There are many requirements. Look up the program. The first one that jumps out to me is this. "In order to be financially eligible for an ATVM loan, an applicant must be financially viable without the receipt of additional federal funding for the proposed project." Elio says they need $300M...

Oh great! Now it appears the the unimaginable (to me) may be true. I found a comment on another site that said the engine was not in the P5. :(

I believe most of what you wrote is correct, but a lot is speculative and may have some people here scream one way or another. I believe the ATVM loan Elio is looking for is $184M. I believe that is the amount that they thought they needed to get to production at the time. I do not know how...

Sadly, I think the press is moving more and more towards Joe's style of journalism. It used to be a battle to who could get the scoop first. Now it's who can reflect what is happening into their own spin and story. The more outlandish (pro or con) the better. With the internet anyone can...

I don't think we should be looking at a government loan as a delay. I don't think any good business plan should assume on financial support from the government. Elio has even stated they have a path to production without it. What that is is the gorilla in the room.

It can be tough to follow when so much politics gets involved. I am not sure how the groups interact and who have say into what. Stuart Lichter being a prime example. He's the Founder & Chariman of IRG and on the Elio Board. I believe that there is a tax break incentive for Elio. I believe...

Do you have a source for your 50 to 100X? I believe Elio will sell globally, but not that we'll in India. It will be too expensive and not enough seat.

I'd venture to say your 20 number is low.

Paul has presented the facility as a $400M value to Elio Motors. "Elio Motors has raised a total of $102M through June 30, 2016" This was why he is ONLY looking for $300M more for production. "Recent automotive product launches cost $750M-$1B" He's not claiming that it's costing him...

Those are interesting displays except they do not contain the "information" that you may think. My take is that it's not the number that your brain is processing. I believe that is a drawback of the Elgin design. It's just reporting a number. We all know about where the needle is on the...

Is a $100 refundable deposit really going to be influenced by that? I see it more of "Do I want it?", "Do I believe it will happen?", "Will anything change if I wait?", and "Do I want it enough to put some coin down now?" I agree that it likely will go a little fast when it's close to hitting...

I think you're correct. I had expectations that the E1-c would have done something, but clearly it didn't. Even I was disappointed with what I gained from it. I believed that the gas mileage being set would also be a boost, but Paul was not willing to give an estimate to when that would be...

I figured I wasn't the first/only one. I wasn't looking for the ejection seat though.

I'm not as familiar with the history of Tesla. I only knew they produced the expensive, high end Roadster first. I think Elio is doing fine except for the pushing off on dates. When did Tesla first say they would ship a Roadster versus when did it occur?

I'm looking for the dash to be modeled after an F16 dash, but I recognize cost would be a factor. :)

And at $7K, I'm fine with either. I have other machines that I'm pumping the grease into. I'd be happy to have an Elio at my place that requires it. I want the Elio to work and last. I don't care if it requires a little extra maintance. It's only $7K!!!

I have not heard anything other than what you have on the E1b. I don't know though if we ever will. It sounds like a somewhat expensive path to continually upgrade one vehicle that might not see the light of day. Sounds like a physical records management of the updates.

Has it officially gone? I thought the only announcement was the one gentleman at the show saying it. Coss has pointed out to me that isn't official. Did someone see it in a Elio blog or an email response?