Vw Xl1

[Proud to be]

The volkswagen XL1 is a great concept car, it is very expensive at $150000 but part of the reason it is hand made, only a production of 250 units.
But it proves that hybrid and diesel are not exclusive technologies, but they can go together hand in hand, a diesel engine alone will give about 30% more miles per gallon then its gasoline equivalent, the XL1 was designed to give the most miles per gallon for a street vehicle.

The concept it is very good, forget the price most of us at $150000 will not buy it anyway, but the idea is great, just like Elio the idea is great.

Elio could use this idea for a future version and maybe not have a 240 MPG vehicle, but could easily be 150 MPG or more.
if a gasoline Elio gives you 84 MPG non hybrid, a diesel Elio non hybrid would give you 110 MPG with high torque at low RPMs, so a diesel hybrid would improve MPG mostly in the city, and on highway it would depend mostly on the size of the battery pack.

so if Elio could make the XL1 version of the Elio it would be a big success, but the cost would easily triple but even then it would still be far better than $150k.

With the spirit of simplicity and keeping prices down, a diesel non hybrid version of the Elio would be great, it would probably add $1k to the cost of the car, but it could be advertized as a 110MPG car, it would be simpler, and more robust, diesel engines last twice as long as gasoline engines and provide half the problems.

if the cost of a gasoline engine is $1k, the equivalent diesel engine could cost $2k, only about $1k difference, everything else would be the same.
If the diesel engine is turbo it that case it might be a little more than $1k more like $1500 ballpark.

A diesel engine would help Elio greatly with international sales.

Also it would be the only diesel 3 wheel car on the market, not counting the XL1 or the HMW freeway which both have been built under a very limited production.

Also modern diesel engines are very clean, and can run 100% on bio-diesel.

The difference between the XL1 is that is a concept car, and the Elio will be a massively produced car, so the Elio is more than just an idea, it will be a reality that we can enjoy, I just wish a diesel engine would be offered as an option.

I had that kind of talk with the Elio Team, when they were here in Portland Ore...

What is next for " Elio Motors ".. future plans...

I liked the answer I got... which was: After about 2-3 years of production they have plans in the working to make different types of Elio power base units...

Electric, Propane, Hybrid, and Diesel, So if Diesel is what you want, maybe in few more years, 2018 or so, you can buy a Elio with a Diesel Motor?...

Or... just maybe you can have your own personal Elio's motor, upgraded to a Diesel motor and not have to buy a whole new one...

His full answer was... The Basic Elio framework set up, is just the start... so many ways to add to it and upgrade it.... and then you can add World Wide Sales...New Plants in Canada or Mexico or in both of them... etc...

Hope that answers your question...

Again, this is not written in stone, he just said that could be one of the paths they could go down...

Proud to Be.. an Elio owner..#2225 see ya on the road " give me a wave "

 

[Jambe]

...Natural Gas

 

[Rickb]

The volkswagen XL1 is a great concept car, it is very expensive at $150000 but part of the reason it is hand made, only a production of 250 units.
But it proves that hybrid and diesel are not exclusive technologies, but they can go together hand in hand, a diesel engine alone will give about 30% more miles per gallon then its gasoline equivalent, the XL1 was designed to give the most miles per gallon for a street vehicle.

The concept it is very good, forget the price most of us at $150000 will not buy it anyway, but the idea is great, just like Elio the idea is great.

Elio could use this idea for a future version and maybe not have a 240 MPG vehicle, but could easily be 150 MPG or more.
if a gasoline Elio gives you 84 MPG non hybrid, a diesel Elio non hybrid would give you 110 MPG with high torque at low RPMs, so a diesel hybrid would improve MPG mostly in the city, and on highway it would depend mostly on the size of the battery pack.

so if Elio could make the XL1 version of the Elio it would be a big success, but the cost would easily triple but even then it would still be far better than $150k.

With the spirit of simplicity and keeping prices down, a diesel non hybrid version of the Elio would be great, it would probably add $1k to the cost of the car, but it could be advertized as a 110MPG car, it would be simpler, and more robust, diesel engines last twice as long as gasoline engines and provide half the problems.

if the cost of a gasoline engine is $1k, the equivalent diesel engine could cost $2k, only about $1k difference, everything else would be the same.
If the diesel engine is turbo it that case it might be a little more than $1k more like $1500 ballpark.

A diesel engine would help Elio greatly with international sales.

Also it would be the only diesel 3 wheel car on the market, not counting the XL1 or the HMW freeway which both have been built under a very limited production.

Also modern diesel engines are very clean, and can run 100% on bio-diesel.

The difference between the XL1 is that is a concept car, and the Elio will be a massively produced car, so the Elio is more than just an idea, it will be a reality that we can enjoy, I just wish a diesel engine would be offered as an option.

If the XL1 proves successful, VW could put the technology into a more affordable mass production version like the Narrow VW City Car Concept pictured in Post #5. VW has had 3 of the best selling production models ever and are still major players in developing new and improved production cars.

 

[Rickb]

EVELIO is my preference for a down the road drivetrain option.