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pistonboy

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I understand the federal government classifies the three wheeled Elio as a motorcycle. Can a state create their own classification for a vehicle or, are they forced to used the federal government’s classification?
In California, the pollution regulations are much less restrictive for motorcycles. However, in California, the regulators have control issues and have a need to have complete control over everything. I fear if Elios are registered in California in large numbers, there will be an attempt to regulate them and force on them the same pollution requirements as automobiles. This would add tremendously to the cost of the vehicle. Elio Motors can: a) add the pollution equipment to all vehicles keeping the design and manufacturing uniform but forcing people in all states to pay for California’s pollution equipment even though it is not needed in their state; b) create a California model and a 49 state model as they did years ago; or c) stop selling the vehicles in California.
This is the reason I went “All In” when I did. I wanted to get an early vehicle grandfathered in as a motorcycle before California titles them as something else in order to regulate them.
California is a large state with a very large car market and can force things on the rest of the nation. Although I currently live in California, I am originally from the Midwest. I am tired of California bullying the rest of the nation.
I have never purchased a new car in my life. The Elio will be the first, because I like it so much. It is not for serving other people. It is not for hauling kids, other people, or cargo around. It has the feel of existing for the sole purpose of the owner. It has a personal feel to it. It is the kind of car a person can have a personal and sentimental attachment to.
Good luck to the Elio and its creators.
 

zelio

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I understand the federal government classifies the three wheeled Elio as a motorcycle. Can a state create their own classification for a vehicle or, are they forced to used the federal government’s classification?
In California, the pollution regulations are much less restrictive for motorcycles. However, in California, the regulators have control issues and have a need to have complete control over everything. I fear if Elios are registered in California in large numbers, there will be an attempt to regulate them and force on them the same pollution requirements as automobiles. This would add tremendously to the cost of the vehicle. Elio Motors can: a) add the pollution equipment to all vehicles keeping the design and manufacturing uniform but forcing people in all states to pay for California’s pollution equipment even though it is not needed in their state; b) create a California model and a 49 state model as they did years ago; or c) stop selling the vehicles in California.
This is the reason I went “All In” when I did. I wanted to get an early vehicle grandfathered in as a motorcycle before California titles them as something else in order to regulate them.
California is a large state with a very large car market and can force things on the rest of the nation. Although I currently live in California, I am originally from the Midwest. I am tired of California bullying the rest of the nation.
I have never purchased a new car in my life. The Elio will be the first, because I like it so much. It is not for serving other people. It is not for hauling kids, other people, or cargo around. It has the feel of existing for the sole purpose of the owner. It has a personal feel to it. It is the kind of car a person can have a personal and sentimental attachment to.
Good luck to the Elio and its creators.
The federal law requires the Elio to be classified as a motorcycle because it has less than 4 wheels. It will have a mc vin number no matter what California says. However, I believe a lot of the polution requirements will be met by the Elio by design, just like the safety requirements will be met by design. :-) Z
 

Jeff Porter

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I understand the federal government classifies the three wheeled Elio as a motorcycle. Can a state create their own classification for a vehicle or, are they forced to used the federal government’s classification?
In California, the pollution regulations are much less restrictive for motorcycles. However, in California, the regulators have control issues and have a need to have complete control over everything. I fear if Elios are registered in California in large numbers, there will be an attempt to regulate them and force on them the same pollution requirements as automobiles. This would add tremendously to the cost of the vehicle. Elio Motors can: a) add the pollution equipment to all vehicles keeping the design and manufacturing uniform but forcing people in all states to pay for California’s pollution equipment even though it is not needed in their state; b) create a California model and a 49 state model as they did years ago; or c) stop selling the vehicles in California.
This is the reason I went “All In” when I did. I wanted to get an early vehicle grandfathered in as a motorcycle before California titles them as something else in order to regulate them.
California is a large state with a very large car market and can force things on the rest of the nation. Although I currently live in California, I am originally from the Midwest. I am tired of California bullying the rest of the nation.
I have never purchased a new car in my life. The Elio will be the first, because I like it so much. It is not for serving other people. It is not for hauling kids, other people, or cargo around. It has the feel of existing for the sole purpose of the owner. It has a personal feel to it. It is the kind of car a person can have a personal and sentimental attachment to.
Good luck to the Elio and its creators.

Hi PistonBoy, here's my two cents to add to what Zelio said... a given state can indeed classify the Elio as a different vehicle, such as an autocycle, and then apply its own rules and laws to that type of car, for license plates, helmet needs, and drivers license. So it gets complicated very quickly to think about multiple states. If we focus on your state, then you can search on these threads and see if you can find info specific to CA.

I think it's outstanding that the Elio will be your first new car! A good analysis there, that it has a personal feel to it, much like a motorcycle, since it usually will contain one person. The interesting thing is, it's something like 74% of people today drive to work alone. So even bigger and huge vehicles can get that sentimental attachment to a person.
 

Truett Collins

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I understand the federal government classifies the three wheeled Elio as a motorcycle. Can a state create their own classification for a vehicle or, are they forced to used the federal government’s classification?
In California, the pollution regulations are much less restrictive for motorcycles. However, in California, the regulators have control issues and have a need to have complete control over everything. I fear if Elios are registered in California in large numbers, there will be an attempt to regulate them and force on them the same pollution requirements as automobiles. This would add tremendously to the cost of the vehicle. Elio Motors can: a) add the pollution equipment to all vehicles keeping the design and manufacturing uniform but forcing people in all states to pay for California’s pollution equipment even though it is not needed in their state; b) create a California model and a 49 state model as they did years ago; or c) stop selling the vehicles in California.
This is the reason I went “All In” when I did. I wanted to get an early vehicle grandfathered in as a motorcycle before California titles them as something else in order to regulate them.
California is a large state with a very large car market and can force things on the rest of the nation. Although I currently live in California, I am originally from the Midwest. I am tired of California bullying the rest of the nation.
I have never purchased a new car in my life. The Elio will be the first, because I like it so much. It is not for serving other people. It is not for hauling kids, other people, or cargo around. It has the feel of existing for the sole purpose of the owner. It has a personal feel to it. It is the kind of car a person can have a personal and sentimental attachment to.
Good luck to the Elio and its creators.

It seems Paul is already looking at the emissions question....

http://elioowners.com/threads/10-22-2014-tech-talk-engine-series-part-2.4313/#post-59413
 

CaribbeanZombie

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My fear is that states will apply their own classification, such as M/C, autocycle or (heaven forbid) a car...just to allow insurance companies to artificially inflate premiums! Big government LOVES big business & both will rape citizens/consumers ANY chance they're given! :(
I'm really hoping Michigan keeps it as a M/C, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it!
 

zelio

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My fear is that states will apply their own classification, such as M/C, autocycle or (heaven forbid) a car...just to allow insurance companies to artificially inflate premiums! Big government LOVES big business & both will rape citizens/consumers ANY chance they're given! :(
I'm really hoping Michigan keeps it as a M/C, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it!
Since you live in a state owned by the auto industry, I wouldn't hold my breath either. :-) Z
 
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