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Uber Self-driving Vehicle Accident Results In Pedestrian Fatality In Arizona...

Rob Croson

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Ok, what was the driver actually looking at? Her right knee??? Why??
Did you read the article?

She was streaming Hulu on her personal phone, holding it down by her right knee where it was convenient, near the self-driving monitoring systems in the center of the dash, and out of view of the driver-monitoring cameras.

"Police say dashcam footage shows that Vasquez "was distracted and looking down" during the nearly 22-minute drive that preceded the crash. According to police, she "appears to react and show a smirk or laugh at various points during the times that she is looking down.""​

She was watching TV, rather than being the safety driver she was hired to be.

This is what happens when you put a half-implemented self-driving system in charge of driving the car, and the human has nothing to do. They lose focus. They don't pay attention. And then when they are needed to urgently act with barely split-second warnings, there's not a chance in hell they can react fast enough. IMNSHO that's what happening with all these Tesla crashes. This "Level 2" or "Level 3" or whatever they are calling it, is ridiculously dangerous. Drivers are lulled into thinking that these partial systems are full-self-driving, but they aren't.

And you have a Robo driver installed, but didn't hook up the braking system? And no warning for the Driver?
What the hell kind of system is this?
A shitty one. What else would you expect from a shit company like Uber?

What it points out is how horribly badly managed Uber's self-driving program was. Uber was the only company operating self-driving vehicles with a single safety driver. They also had reduced the number of LIDAR units and cameras on their vehicles, and various other cost-cutting moves. Their software was shit. They had rotating door leadership. They were far behind other self-driving companies, and desperate to catch up. Uber's entire business strategy revolved around getting self-driving ride hailing services going so they fire all of their already-poorly-paid "contractors", and maybe turn a bit of a profit for the first time ever.

Uber had no business developing their own self-driving cars. Lyft is doing it right: back other companies who know what the hell they're doing, and then use their end product.
 

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Did you read the article?

She was streaming Hulu on her personal phone, holding it down by her right knee where it was convenient, near the self-driving monitoring systems in the center of the dash, and out of view of the driver-monitoring cameras.

"Police say dashcam footage shows that Vasquez "was distracted and looking down" during the nearly 22-minute drive that preceded the crash. According to police, she "appears to react and show a smirk or laugh at various points during the times that she is looking down.""​

She was watching TV, rather than being the safety driver she was hired to be.

This is what happens when you put a half-implemented self-driving system in charge of driving the car, and the human has nothing to do. They lose focus. They don't pay attention. And then when they are needed to urgently act with barely split-second warnings, there's not a chance in hell they can react fast enough. IMNSHO that's what happening with all these Tesla crashes. This "Level 2" or "Level 3" or whatever they are calling it, is ridiculously dangerous. Drivers are lulled into thinking that these partial systems are full-self-driving, but they aren't.


A shitty one. What else would you expect from a shit company like Uber?

What it points out is how horribly badly managed Uber's self-driving program was. Uber was the only company operating self-driving vehicles with a single safety driver. They also had reduced the number of LIDAR units and cameras on their vehicles, and various other cost-cutting moves. Their software was shit. They had rotating door leadership. They were far behind other self-driving companies, and desperate to catch up. Uber's entire business strategy revolved around getting self-driving ride hailing services going so they fire all of their already-poorly-paid "contractors", and maybe turn a bit of a profit for the first time ever.

Uber had no business developing their own self-driving cars. Lyft is doing it right: back other companies who know what the hell they're doing, and then use their end product.
OK, point taken.
I did read the article, but must have missed that section (I just skimmed over it)
Uber isn't bad, but she had to be using her car; Uber doesn't provide cars, you use your own.
I did it for around 6 weeks and quit, it was too new for this area, and no one used it.
 

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OK, point taken.
I did read the article, but must have missed that section (I just skimmed over it)
Uber isn't bad, but she had to be using her car; Uber doesn't provide cars, you use your own.
I did it for around 6 weeks and quit, it was too new for this area, and no one used it.

There are conflicting reports on this but to me it looks like it's still mostly Uber's fault. A self driving car should self brake. Uber has the technology but it was disabled on this vehicle. I could not find a reason why but it was, I assume, not functioning properly anyway.

The driver should have been watching the road also, no one will argue that. People do get bored into complacency. she could have found other things to distract her. Music like 90% of us, talk radio, calling her family etc. Anything to keep eyes on the road.

And the cyclist is also to blame. If you step in front of a car you can get killed.

Courts often break blame into percentages when deciding damages. I'd say it's 50% on the cyclist and 25 each between Uber and the driver. The driver has less legal recourse though so she will get the most of the blame.
 

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OK, point taken.
I did read the article, but must have missed that section (I just skimmed over it)
Uber isn't bad, but she had to be using her car; Uber doesn't provide cars, you use your own.
I did it for around 6 weeks and quit, it was too new for this area, and no one used it.
It was not her vehicle. She was the SAFETY DRIVER for the Uber self-driving Volvo SUV that killed that lady back in March. It was her job to sit in the driver seat and watch as the SUV drove itself all over town.
 

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It was not her vehicle. She was the SAFETY DRIVER for the Uber self-driving Volvo SUV that killed that lady back in March. It was her job to sit in the driver seat and watch as the SUV drove itself all over town.
Are you done yet? Or are you going to go on harping about this?

Geeezz worse then a woman ……...
 
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