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Attn. Elio Investors: Temporarily Cheaper Oil Is No Excuse To Waste It!

JCar

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Here's a brief sequence of why oil has gotten so much cheaper lately. Keep late 2008 in mind while reading this. Attention spans are apparently short when it comes to black gold.
  • Global conventional crude oil peaked in 2005/2006 (a geological phenomenon, not reversible)
  • U.S. oil-bearing shale fracking took up more slack than expected but is only viable at ~$80/barrel.
  • OPEC flooded the market with conventional crude oil in an apparent attempt to starve U.S. frackers.
  • World demand slacked off again at the same time (late 2008 was also a time of falling demand).
  • The price of oil plummeted in late 2014 due to supply vs. demand, not more total oil in the ground.
  • Dummies think this means oil is no longer finite or getting physically scarcer each second.
  • Projects like the Elio car become less urgent in the minds of dummies. Thanks, dummies!
We'll probably repeat that cycle on the Bumpy Plateau for awhile until the serious peak finally hits when unconventional oil (shale & tar sands) can't meet global demand as peaked crude reserves keep falling. Right now, shale and tar sands are only helping because there's still enough conventional crude underlying their relatively small contribution to global supplies.

Anyone can look up the math. For example, North Dakota's Bakken and Three Forks formations have under 8 billion barrels of proved reserves. That's not much more than a year of total U.S. consumption at 18 to 20 mbpd. When you see some wingnut hype kerogen shale as "trillions of barrels" of U.S. oil, they haven't done the math of EROI aka ERoEI aka net energy. You have to superheat kerogen to get usable oil and it's much different than the oil-bearing shale they're fracking in North Dakota and Texas. Many people confuse the two - for the same reason they ignore scientists in other realms. They want to feel patriotic about America's potential, not face actual evidence and boring geological stats.

People tend to equate a lower price with "more" of something, but that's not how finite resources work. If you were stuck on an island with 1,000 cords of wood for the rest of your life and no trees, you'd be stupid to burn it faster just because you could temporarily reach some sticks easier based on how the pile was stacked. But with oil, that's exactly what people do!

The price of oil (after the conventional crude peak) has been dependent on how fast we can get it out of the ground (the flow rate) vs. current consumer demand. The total volume of oil in the ground depletes every second because it's a finite resource. That's the point I want to stress to anyone who thinks an 84 MPG car isn't necessary anymore.

Also, there's no such thing as abiotic oil. A list of oil producing nations past-peak shows that even if oil was magically welling up without organic matter, it's not manifesting itself in real-world finds. It's clearly finite but many people are still refusing to admit it. After just a few weeks of cheaper oil they're already idling wastefully and contemplating V-8 engines. Thanks again, dummies.
 
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I think they just manipulated the price of oil down to mess with Russia over the Ukraine issue. Funny how we have a problem with Russia, and suddenly the backbone product of their economy takes a major dive in value, causing economic recession and major devaluation of their currency. Soon as a solution is found in the Ukraine, get ready for $5/gallon gasoline.
 

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You should stop driving if you believe that. I'll use your share. Thanks
HUH? How does that make any sense? I don't find ANY reasoned thought in that response.
As far as what anyone "believes", it's irrelevant. FACT: Oil IS FINITE! That means there is NO endless supply. ANYWHERE.
That is not a 'belief', or an opinion, or a delusion, or a crystal-ball vision of pessimistic fortune tellers. It is a FACT.
We can endlessly debate whether we have 50 years of oil left or a hundred years or a thousand years, (which seems exceedingly unlikely), but in the end, we run out. The only question is, will it be our children, our grandchildren, or their children who face a world without abundant cheap energy as we have enjoyed for the past hundred or so years?
And before the oil supplies are dried up the producers will turn to continually more costly, difficult and inefficient sources to exploit. Still think there is 'plenty' of oil? Why do you think the oil companies are drilling multi-million dollar wells miles below the ocean floor from billion dollar platforms? Did they just get tired of punching holes in the nice, convenient, and cheap terra-firma of Texas? Or maybe they just wanted an excuse to take a helicopter ride to work? Those convenient sites are drying up. The cheap, easy oil is gone, that's why. You think tar sands or shale oil is the first-choice of oil sources? They are the bottom of the figurative barrel. They are expensive, inefficient, and ecologically abominable. But they are what we have left.
You don't need a bunch of geological data and production statistics to realize that the age of oil is winding down. Simple logic should suffice. But if you feel that you MUST drive your plush derriere to work in the latest in posh luxury land yachts and you 'need' a vehicle the size of a studio apartment, I'm sure you can find some justification that fits your purpose. And any time someone tries to warn the populace that any given resource is not endless and should not be wasted, I'm sure that some, (hopefully better), smart a$$ response will come to mind.
 

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I think they just manipulated the price of oil down to mess with Russia over the Ukraine issue. Funny how we have a problem with Russia, and suddenly the backbone product of their economy takes a major dive in value, causing economic recession and major devaluation of their currency. Soon as a solution is found in the Ukraine, get ready for $5/gallon gasoline.
It's more likely, and this has been theorized quite a bit in the news, that they also want to force oil profits for ISIS (ISOL) down to starve that source out.
Anyway with so many possible reasons it helps OPEC that their real motivations get buried a bit. That kind of suppresses a focused response.
 
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