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[Samuel Gompers]

For the umpteenth time, masks are there to protect others...not yourself. I know you're looking for any justification for your non-mask wearing stance...but the continued argument that masks don't protect the mask wearer aint the one you're looking for.

Follow CDC guidelines, or just accept that you're putting others at risk. Continuing to argue beside the point will do nothing to change the opinion of others...or reality.

John, like Rick, it is unlikely that you will admit your error. I need no justification for not wearing a mask. Not wearing a mask is the default, the norm. Wearing a mask, with all of its implications, is what needs a justification,. There is no possible way that mask-wearing by a healthy person protects others. It is the height of absurdity. It's like wearing a condom in public to keep others from getting pregnant. Illogical to the point of approaching insanity. Masks have always been, and still are, used in an attempt to protect the wearer. Only under controlled hospitalization conditions is protection of others a significant benefit.

I don't have to accept either CDC guidelines, or your false claims that I'm putting others at risk. The WHO still does not recommend the wearing of masks.

The only correct point of your post is that you aren't planning on changing your opinion.

 

[johnsnownw]

John, like Rick, it is unlikely that you will admit your error. I need no justification for not wearing a mask. Not wearing a mask is the default, the norm. Wearing a mask, with all of its implications, is what needs a justification,. There is no possible way that mask-wearing by a healthy person protects others. It is the height of absurdity. It's like wearing a condom in public to keep others from getting pregnant. Illogical to the point of approaching insanity. Masks have always been, and still are, used in an attempt to protect the wearer. Only under controlled hospitalization conditions is protection of others a significant benefit.

I don't have to accept either CDC guidelines, or your false claims that I'm putting others at risk. The WHO still does not recommend the wearing of masks.

The only correct point of your post is that you aren't planning on changing your opinion.

This is what I mean by arguing beside the point.

No one thinks that a healthy person wearing a mask helps to reduce transmission. What a "healthy" person does by wearing a mask it to help stop transmission before they know they are unhealthy. Of course, anyone showing symptoms should also wear a mask.

I'm pretty sure our "Govt." has pulled the US out of the WHO, but I understand that you may not appreciate the hypocrisy of using them as supportive evidence. Furthermore, this is straight from the WHO website:

Potential benefits/advantages

The likely advantages of the use of masks by healthy people in the general public include: • reduced potential exposure risk from infected persons before they develop symptoms

https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...9/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

The WHO not recommending everyone wear masks has nothing to do with the idea that masks don't help. The general thought is that the WHO is prioritizing masks for medical workers, especially in areas where masks are difficult to source.

Again, you may do whatever you want...but that doesn't mean you're in the right in doing so.

 

[Rickb]

Rick, did you even read the article you posted? The spin is "out of context", but Fauci was quite clear, in context, when he stated that masks were unnecessary and even contra-indicated. The interviewer made sure that he clarified the point. Look in the mirror when you quote Mark Twain.

You are virtue-signalling, but you are not protecting yourself nor anyone else. You are lowering your oxygen levels, which reduces your immune system's capabilities. But you cannot, apparently, be convinced of your error.

Yes, I read it and I agree there is “spin” from those that don’t believe in science. I choose to follow CDC guidelines.

 

[Rickb]

It's not my intention to hurt your "sensitive" feelings! OK, I'll put it nicely, nobody and I mean nobody wants to wear mask period so there I'm with you on that one. And nobody should be dictated to wear mask just to get inside a restaurant or to pick up my mail, etc so there, I'm with you on that one too! But this is what we're faced right now, and you can try to convince as many people ( and relatives) that you're right NOT to wear mask, you can even write all call your governor or the white house and tell them mask wearing is a big lie or as you eloquently calls a talisman ( I like it) that does nothing...good luck convincing them though. Unfortunately, they don't share your belief. So as much as you and i and the rest of humanity wants to do away with wearing mask, we're not in charge and that's a fact. Again, the current administration's covid experts are the ones running the show and they say mask helps control the virus. So, I'm not picking on you just to disagree, it is what it is. By the way, I haven't had a sip of my fav whiskey in months! Thanks for reminding me, wanna make sure that the virus.....err I mean the alcohol has not escaped.
p.s. By the way, I just deleted my last post as a gesture of peace.

If a business owner mandates ‘everybody’ to wear a mask to enter their place of business.......wear one......or take your business elsewhere. I noticed people being security escorted out of our local COSTCO for refusing to wear a mandatory mask.

 

[RSchneider]

This whole discussion reminds me of going into a plant with a quality control problem and everyone pointing the finger at everyone else as to the cause of it. Then there's the group that have been at the plant for many years and never want to change because they can create the numbers to make it look better in their own mind. Sort of like when GM shut down plants after the bankruptcy. Ask the people at the plant, they were the most efficient and best quality out there, that's because they put more "pride" in their jobs. Threaten those jobs, they improve quality and efficiency for about a year and it gets back to business as usual. Human beings (no matter what country) resist change and will actually work harder to come up with the numbers that try to get it back the way it used to be, than actually solving the underlying problem. Thus the main reason why people like me push automation. The machine never gets tired of quality control or safety. Plus it will comply with new standards and never revert. People will not.

 

[3wheelin]

If a business owner mandates ‘everybody’ to wear a mask to enter their place of business.......wear one......or take your business elsewhere. I noticed people being security escorted out of our local COSTCO for refusing to wear a mandatory mask.

Yap, welcome to the new norm.

 

[Elio Amazed]

Just went on about a 15 mile bike ride along a normally busy thoroughfare, but now with quite a few other pedestrians and cyclists. Maybe 20 percent of the cyclists are masked and probably about 85 percent of the pedestrians: judging by experience, I think the upright, ‘clunky’ sort of short ride cyclists don masks whereas the more serious, hard cranking, ones do not. Regardless of mask hysteria, the amount of contact when passing is measured in seconds and the distance seldom less than 6 feet. I must have seen two dozen people jump into the road. Half of these with the traffic at their backs, sight unseen!!

It is remarkable that they can be so concerned with one vague and dubious and intangible fear that they literally leap into situations where common sense, obvious peril, and incontrovertible physics will absolutely kill you. Funny enough that, now I reflect that this route, not surprisingly, took my immediately past the NIH and three of our local broadcast TV stations.

Don't get me wrong, I still feel that masks offer some level of protection for both the people wearing masks and the people who are around infected people wearing masks. I believe that to this day no-one can say with certainty what that level actually is or is not though. For that matter, all evidence points to the conclusion that, after all this time, no-one knows much more about this virus than they did in December. This thing has thrown the word "expert" right out the window. That said, there is NO WAY anyone doing any kind of exercise like riding a bike outside, even at a moderate pace, should have a mask on. Are these people that stupid or are they attempting suicide? BTW, Walmart has a sign that says no-one is allowed to enter the store without a mask due to state law. However, at least 40% of the people inside don't have masks on, so Walmart is apparently and understandably no longer "enforcing" that policy. I think it's a mute point, because I believe the PA state legislature voted Wolf's entire emergency mandate package out of existence early last week and Walmart's signage is simply out of date. Regardless, it's my opinion that the governments cannot ask, expect, or force, businesses to do their job for them and act as their policemen of the world.

 

[Samuel Gompers]

This is what I mean by arguing beside the point.

No one thinks that a healthy person wearing a mask helps to reduce transmission. What a "healthy" person does by wearing a mask it to help stop transmission before they know they are unhealthy. Of course, anyone showing symptoms should also wear a mask.

I'm pretty sure our "Govt." has pulled the US out of the WHO, but I understand that you may not appreciate the hypocrisy of using them as supportive evidence. Furthermore, this is straight from the WHO website:



https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...9/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

The WHO not recommending everyone wear masks has nothing to do with the idea that masks don't help. The general thought is that the WHO is prioritizing masks for medical workers, especially in areas where masks are difficult to source.

Again, you may do whatever you want...but that doesn't mean you're in the right in doing so.

No hypocrisy. Just playing your stupid game of "experts", who don't know much of anything. Again, if the mask gestapo had/has their way, we can no longer act according to our best judgement, but will have insane behavior forced upon us. That is the biggest takeaway of this whole "pandemic".

 

[johnsnownw]

No hypocrisy. Just playing your stupid game of "experts", who don't know much of anything. Again, if the mask gestapo had/has their way, we can no longer act according to our best judgement, but will have insane behavior forced upon us. That is the biggest takeaway of this whole "pandemic".

You aren't qualified to make a "best judgement" decision. That's why there are doctors, surgeons, engineers, pilots, lawyers, etc. Or, perhaps you consult yourself instead of specialists in these areas?

 

[Coss]

Ok children, can we stop with all this name calling and other BS, it's tiring, and for one, I'm tired of listening to it.
So either stop it, change the subject, or I'll fix it by ending this thread.

OK?