Elio's time has come again?

[RSchneider]

The sprung/unsprung weight ratio would be unfavorable.

Can you explain in more detail. I honestly don't understand why they would be so bad. Maybe if someone can convince me, then I will change to something else.

 

[3wheelin]

Can you explain in more detail. I honestly don't understand why they would be so bad. Maybe if someone can convince me, then I will change to something else.

Here's why:
Hub motors are not commonly used in new cars due to several reasons:

• Lower Efficiency: Hub motors are less efficient than other types of electric motors, which can limit their performance, particularly in terms of acceleration and top speed.
  
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• Packaging Challenges: Hub motors can be difficult to package within the vehicle, making it challenging to design a suspension system that is both comfortable and capable of handling the weight of the motor.
  
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• Noise and Vibrations: Hub motors can be noisy and may produce vibrations that can be uncomfortable for passengers.
  
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• Limited Power Output: Hub motors are generally not as powerful as other types of electric motors, which can limit their performance in terms of driving dynamics.
  
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  These factors contribute to the decision to not use hub motors in new cars, despite their potential advantages in compactness and efficiency.

 

[ehwatt]

Can you explain in more detail. I honestly don't understand why they would be so bad. Maybe if someone can convince me, then I will change to something else.

An over simplification:
a car that weighs 1000 lbs with each wheel/tire/brake at 100 lbs has less weight to counteract the inertia of the wheel's upward motion allowing less road contact as opposed to a 4000 lb car with each wheel at 100 lbs which would force more road contact.

'46 Ford's actually handle very well because the sprung:unsprung ratio is massive. Handling is changing the direction a car points and not road "holding" or lateral traction.

Putting the electric motors in-board with fwd half-shaft/cv joint solves the weight issue. I can see a Honda motorcycle type shaft drive set up for "our" rear wheel.

Hope that doesn't muddy the water too much.

 

[LillyMayPatterson #1685 & #5648]

Dam, I miss you guys.

 

[JohnJ]

I already planned it out. It will be like the Elio but just a few differences. It'll be an EV with hub motors. Still have all of the luxuries of a new car you buy today. Contract out the manufacturing. Then get them on the road. With Arcimoto, they had a successful plan. Get it certified by the US Goverment and then cross the production finish line. Once those hit the road, they sold themselves. The price will start at $50K but it will go down to $20K because the demand (because they are on the road) will go up and then the price will go down because of volume (thus why Arcimoto has hit 25K units this year and the price of a new one dropped from $20K to $12K).

Now, Telo has raised $30M and built three prototypes and have a contract manufacturer to build the production ones. I will need $30M up front for Series A funding. So, who here can do that and we can get this on the road. I have no idea of who would invest in this but someone else I bet, does.

I like the idea overall, but I would suggest it have a second door at the back seat on the other side, a raised trunk for more room and a much lower list price to attract buyers who can't afford a high price car. Plus, again, Tesla are the ones who could make all this technical stuff work. Hey, we can all hope.... Season's Greeting.

 

[LillyMayPatterson #1685 & #5648]

I like the idea overall, but I would suggest it have a second door at the back seat on the other side, a raised trunk for more room and a much lower list price to attract buyers who can't afford a high price car. Plus, again, Tesla are the ones who could make all this technical stuff work. Hey, we can all hope.... Season's Greeting.

I loved the one door. I felt safer and more secure. Sitting in such a small space, the more shell, the better. I really loved that vehicle. Did you know, the head lights and turn signals never worked in that black one, I sat in, in this picture. I wanted to drive down a long and winding road in it, going real fast, and not breaking any bones, when I flip it or miss a curve. I ordered four of them. Happy New Year and Blessed Yule time season to you all, my friends.

 

[RSchneider]

An over simplification:
a car that weighs 1000 lbs with each wheel/tire/brake at 100 lbs has less weight to counteract the inertia of the wheel's upward motion allowing less road contact as opposed to a 4000 lb car with each wheel at 100 lbs which would force more road contact.

'46 Ford's actually handle very well because the sprung:unsprung ratio is massive. Handling is changing the direction a car points and not road "holding" or lateral traction.

Putting the electric motors in-board with fwd half-shaft/cv joint solves the weight issue. I can see a Honda motorcycle type shaft drive set up for "our" rear wheel.

Hope that doesn't muddy the water too much.

A car that weighs in at 1000 lbs? What car is that? A Vanderhall weighs in at 1500 lbs. No doors, no roof, no safety and an aluminum frame. Plus it's an ICE. A FUV comes in at 1300 lbs. An Aptera comes in at 2200 lbs and is an aluminum frame with a carbon fiber body. So, I don't see coming in under 2500 lbs with the Elio 3. Plus I need range and batteries take up real estate, so no inboard motors. Today we have shaker rigs, data logging and simulations, thus we can change the damping and frequency to make up the increased unsprung weight.

 

[ehwatt]

A car that weighs in at 1000 lbs? What car is that? A Vanderhall weighs in at 1500 lbs. No doors, no roof, no safety and an aluminum frame. Plus it's an ICE. A FUV comes in at 1300 lbs. An Aptera comes in at 2200 lbs and is an aluminum frame with a carbon fiber body. So, I don't see coming in under 2500 lbs with the Elio 3. Plus I need range and batteries take up real estate, so no inboard motors. Today we have shaker rigs, data logging and simulations, thus we can change the damping and frequency to make up the increased unsprung weight.

Please refer to everything before the colon.

 

[JohnJ]

NEWS FLASH! The following is the latest news from Elio Motors.....

 

[LillyMayPatterson #1685 & #5648]

NEWS FLASH! The following is the latest news from Elio Motors.....

I'm going to report your butt.