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I think that i read that EM has to start up the plant and employ some of the 1500 out of work union dudes or he will loose the lease on the plant because he already got an extention from Cado Parish to get crackin at the plant. This to me says we will see Elios rolling out of there as predicted second half of 2016.
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I just hope I'll still be in my 20s when they come out! ;)

That being said, I think the first half of 2017 is sounding more realistic. If the P5 will take 20 weeks to complete, and the P6-30 are funded to be built simultaneously to be test, the time it will take for Elio to receive all of their safety and transportation certifications (which they'll need before production) will take them well into 2017.
They don't need any certifications... Well, no crash testing before production though I think Paul's intention is to do that kind of testing anyway. Safety-wise, it's a motorcycle. The Gov. doesn't expect much safety from motorcycles. "Does it have lights?" "Yup." "Okay. We're done here"
 
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Just take the number 1000 works to built the engine. from what I have read it appears that was not given much though yet. Even if ELIO could setup a production line to build the engine in record time with all the equipment need. You do not just walk out the door and hire 1000 people walk them in and start training them then go to production. Many companies today it takes 2-6 months before you even get an interview. Back round checks paper work.
I am sure ELIO could trim that down but there is a reason it is done that way. You have to weed out problems before you hire them. Even then a percentage of people you hire will not make it the first week. If you hire 1000 people January 1 2016 by June not all of that 1000 will still be there.
There is money that must be paid starting day one. SS taxes various fees and taxes depending on state a city you are in. At what point will AWU and NRB show up at the door. There will be cost dealing with them and that kind of legal work is not cheap.
Of course it depends on their starting wages payroll and employee cost could be much more than all other productions cost.
Not saying they can't do it, they are going to need a major amount of funds in advance. Cash from sales in the amounts to keep the doors open is not going to roll in right away.
Real small business sometimes get away with robbing peter to pay Paul when they start ,out borrowing on credit cards and from family . ELIO is a little to big for that to work.
The cash should start rolling in the very second that Elio #00001 gets produced... and on and on through at least 40,000 Elios, right? I mean, 40,000 are already ordered. So Elio should be able to rake in $272,000,000 plus options in the first 160 days and that's only producing 250 per day. Most manufacturers have to produce something and then hope that someone comes along to buy it. Elio won't have to do that. I'm number 3898 and if 3897 people in front of me change their minds, I'll still be here to buy #1.

(I've never seen a company that would keep someone on the hook for 6 months for a job. I'm sure there are jobs out there that take that long but I, for one, started working at the GM Plant about 1 day after my interview. Paperwork was minimal) It won't take 1,500 to man a shift at the plant either. Eventually, Elio may have that many people but at first, they won't need that many. Good thing they have Comau working with them to set up the line and IAV putting the motors together and training Elio's new people. Turnover won't be a huge problem as long as Elio pays fairly. There aren't many places that hire line workers in the area that would be competing with Elio. Sure, there are other jobs but Elio should be paying enough to encourage people to stick around. Those board members in the auto industry SHOULD know what they are doing enough to staff an assembly plant and keep it running.
 

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I think that i read that EM has to start up the plant and employ some of the 1500 out of work union dudes or he will loose the lease on the plant because he already got an extention from Cado Parish to get crackin at the plant. This to me says we will see Elios rolling out of there as predicted second half of 2016.
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Question. Has anyone seen it written anywhere that Paul has to hire EVERY SINGLE employee in the very beginning? I was under the impression that he only had to start production by a certain point and that "eventually" Elio would employ 1,500 people directly. I'm not poking at any particular post (I just replied here because you got me to thinking). I just can't find it referenced anywhere officially what Paul "has to do" to meet the obligations.

Extreme example... Paul hires 2 guys to build P-6 in October at the Shreveport Plant. Does that meet the intent of "begin production" or "Hire people"?

2nd example... Paul hires 1,499 people and they build 400,000 Elios by the deadline. Does he lose the factory because he didn't hire 1,500?

I don't think any of us know what would constitute breach of contract in this regard. If someone knows, please share a link to documentation or something concrete. This has eaten at me for a while and everyone seems to be taking it as gospel. Well, we KNOW that Paul has ZERO contracts with Caddo Parrish as his dealing is with Stu's group. But, what is Stu's requirement with Caddo Parrish to keep the facility?

Okay... Hmmm.... can't. turn. off. brain.
 

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I remember hearing a while back that they were scheduled to hire 750 at first, and the balance after they had the production line "bugs" worked out.
I don't know if this is still the case, but I believe it is.
 

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The cash should start rolling in the very second that Elio #00001 gets produced... and on and on through at least 40,000 Elios, right? I mean, 40,000 are already ordered. So Elio should be able to rake in $272,000,000 plus options in the first 160 days and that's only producing 250 per day. Most manufacturers have to produce something and then hope that someone comes along to buy it. Elio won't have to do that. I'm number 3898 and if 3897 people in front of me change their minds, I'll still be here to buy #1.

(I've never seen a company that would keep someone on the hook for 6 months for a job. I'm sure there are jobs out there that take that long but I, for one, started working at the GM Plant about 1 day after my interview. Paperwork was minimal) It won't take 1,500 to man a shift at the plant either. Eventually, Elio may have that many people but at first, they won't need that many. Good thing they have Comau working with them to set up the line and IAV putting the motors together and training Elio's new people. Turnover won't be a huge problem as long as Elio pays fairly. There aren't many places that hire line workers in the area that would be competing with Elio. Sure, there are other jobs but Elio should be paying enough to encourage people to stick around. Those board members in the auto industry SHOULD know what they are doing enough to staff an assembly plant and keep it running.

I think you missed something from a little back and forth between me and Past Fanatic.................

Incidentally, I took the time to look up Paul Elios answer from the July 2 AMA and here it is.
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"PaulElioMotors --------- answering Rog Wild on Reddit
Our casting supplier is Nemak. The process for the engine build is that Comau employees will build the Elio engines on the equipment we purchased from Comau, with Elio employees watching. Then we will flip-flop. Elio employees will build our engines with Comau employees watching, and eventually we will wave them away and say "we've got it from here."

I believe you are correct that the 1,500 employee estimate does not include the engine assembly. That is the vehicle assembly only."
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Hope that is helpful
Sorry, I should have included Rog Wild's question so here it is.

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RogWild 9 points 3 days ago

Mr. Elio; ref. IAV ENGINES - WHO and WHERE will the Parts for the 500-1,000 Engines (per day) be 'CAST' in order to keep the assembly line running? How will the “Elio Motors Engine Manufacturing Facility” and the regular 'Vehicle Assembly Plant', be able to function at that capacity (one engine/ vehicle per minute) with only 1,200 employees, when the Ford's Brook Park Plant (with 1,200 experienced workers, and a 1,200.000 sq. ft facility) currently only produces 50 EcoBoost engines per hour, running 24/7...... and they are ALL devoted to just making ENGINES!".............

Based on that info from Paul it looks like there will actually be about 2700 jobs. 1200 on the engine line and 1500 on the car line.
It would be kind of stupid to kill 2700 jobs because of a missed schedule.
 

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I'm still holding out for the P5. One step at a time. If the P5-30s are built/tested, the plant is tooled up for production, and the funding is locked in for production, but EM isn't able to quite meet the extention deadline...........EM will get a second extension to start the hiring process for the 1500 jobs. Some of the initial 1500 employees may be assembling engines.
 
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