Life After The 2017 Introductory Model... How About The Elio Ii?

[voyager]

Three parked where normally two cars would fit.

 

[Marshall]

Three parked where normally two cars would fit.

I understand the desire. But right now it's impossible to get people to only take up one space in vehicles which should easily accommodate them.

 

[WilliamH]

Three parked where normally two cars would fit.

I understand the desire. But right now it's impossible to get people to only take up one space in vehicles which should easily accommodate them.

I'm not really sure what problem he is trying to solve, but it sounds more like it applies to the ant hill cities of Europe.

 

[Elio Amazed]

Alright already.

When the new Issetta announces a realistic release date @ under $10K USD, THEN I'll get interested.
And not just so I can find an extremely rare and seemingly dangerous parking opportunity once or twice a year.

The Canadian Electra Meccanica Solo looks much more promising as a future parking spot Genie.

 

[bunchathrees]

The only way to make under-educated and unruly drivers comply with voyager's ideal would be for some type of master control of personal transport. I could see that happen in small rich countries, but that isn't going to happen in the U.S. - at least, not on my watch.

 

[Elio Amazed]

Yep, it's something my company does quite a bit.
Spending $7 to save $5 and calling it a win.

 

[Rickb]

I'm not really sure what problem he is trying to solve, but it sounds more like it applies to the ant hill cities of Europe.

The apparent USA's City pickup truck driver mentality (a pickup truck used as a single occupant urban commuter) makes the idea of efficiently increasing the use of the existing number of parking spaces by 33% in any crowded City difficult to understand. Those folks may not even care about the concept of narrow and/or more space efficient commuter vehicle design.

It seems smart to plan for future transportation needs that may help to prevent those big cities from sprawling into our peaceful and quiet countryside.

 

[WilliamH]

The apparent USA's City pickup truck driver mentality (a pickup truck used as a single occupant urban commuter) makes the idea of efficiently increasing the use of the existing number of parking spaces by 33% in any crowded City difficult to understand. Those folks may not even care about the concept of narrow and/or more space efficient commuter vehicle design.

It seems smart to plan for future transportation needs that may help to prevent those big cities from sprawling into our peaceful and quiet countryside.

It is sort of a moot point, but growing up I lived in a suburb about 30 miles from NY City.
From time to time I was sent to one of our downtown offices for about a month at a time.
(32 AOTA for those familiar with NY.)
I did not drive in to the city. I drove to the train station and left my car in the parking lot there.
Then I took the Erie RR to Hoboken, grabbed the "Tubes" (you may know it as PATH) into the city, and the subway to Canal St.
So, Yes! I actually understand commuting.
What I don't understand is why those large companies with no real infrastructure stay in the heart of cities. Telecommuting is so much more effective.

 

[bunchathrees]

The apparent USA's City pickup truck driver mentality (a pickup truck used as a single occupant urban commuter) makes the idea of efficiently increasing the use of the existing number of parking spaces by 33% in any crowded City difficult to understand. Those folks may not even care about the concept of narrow and/or more space efficient commuter vehicle design.

It seems smart to plan for future transportation needs that may help to prevent those big cities from sprawling into our peaceful and quiet countryside.

I have read criticisms and diatribes regarding pickup truck and SUV use for years. What often isn't considered is the resource consumption associated with having multiple vehicles. I have had a pickup and a commuter vehicle for most of my adult life. And that has made sense to me given my rural living and urban/suburban work. But when one considers the carbon footprint of the second vehicle (the commuter), it makes more environmental sense to use the pickup exclusively.

There could be an argument made that the 5% of the time I need to haul things or tow my tractor from point to point or move 4-5 people around or yank my Zero-turn mower out of a mud hole or commute in poor weather could be solved by renting a truck or other large vehicle. There are efficiency and convenience factors which come into play.

I might be projecting, but I assume the majority of people are not trying to be douches. Yes, they (and I) look like douches commuting alone in that large vehicle. I do not think any observer has enough information to adequately judge.

Independent of all of that, the infrastructure needs to be capable of supporting commercial traffic as well. Outlaw my 1/2 ton pickup if you must, but there are commercial needs for vehicles of all sizes. This seems to have gotten lost in the lane sharing/brick pattern/lane narrowing discussion above.

 

[Elio Amazed]

I do not think any observer has enough information to adequately judge.

+1 That.