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Elio Court Hearing On 3/27/2018...

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Sort of on topic as we were talking tax. There is a new law saying places online have to charge sales tax for the local area. It's a huge burden, but it's also only fair to localities as people can't be trusted to pay tax themselves. I wonder how this affects Tesla and Elio when they start selling.

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/50-state-guide-internet-sales-tax-laws.html
It will not effect taxes you pay taxes based on the county you live in on any motor car or motorcycle.
 

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Still no information yet on the court case. Maybe the judge is waiting for Elio to get funding?

Somewhat related is the Autocycle Bill. If it does not pass then the Elio would be considered a motorcycle and each state would/could define their own requirements. Read the bill here: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr2381/text

Given a 2% chance of being passed. Maybe they are waiting for Elio funding too.
 

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Still no information yet on the court case. Maybe the judge is waiting for Elio to get funding?

Somewhat related is the Autocycle Bill. If it does not pass then the Elio would be considered a motorcycle and each state would/could define their own requirements. Read the bill here: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr2381/text

Given a 2% chance of being passed. Maybe they are waiting for Elio funding too.
I'll see if I can find anything on that.
 

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If it does not pass then the Elio would be considered a motorcycle and each state would/could define their own requirements. Read the bill here: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr2381/text.
Totally untrue. If the neither of the bills (there are two) do not pass into law, the states will still have to adhere to the existing federal requirements.
The only exceptions to that are, and will continue to be, helmet and license/endorsements and any equipment and/or configuration not addressed in the existing federal language. And believe me, there's not much the NHTSA didn't cover.
 
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Totally untrue. If the neither of the bills (there are two) do not pass into law, the states will still have to adhere to the existing federal requirements.
The only exceptions to that are, and will continue to be, helmet and license/endorsements and any equipment and/or configuration not addressed in the existing federal language. And believe me, there's not much the NHTSA didn't cover.

Not totally. Some states have added an "autocycle" definition and while the Elio would be considered to be a motorcycle by federal law, the states can add and modify around those laws using the "autocycle" definition. The "autocycle" is not addressed in the federal language yet.
Therefore, the states may define equipment and configurations specifically for the "autocycle". The need for a center headlight comes to mind. Federal laws say its required, but states can define the "autocycle" as having two headlights a minimum distance apart.

See this for more laws: https://www.motorcyclelegalfoundation.com/state-by-state-guide-to-motorcycle-laws/

Based on the above motorcycle laws, both the driver and passenger of an Elio would need to wear eye protection in some states. Also, some states prohibit the carrying of passengers of a young age.

You also cannot modify the exhaust systems from stock in some states.

Again, the states can adopt "autocycle" laws of their own.
 
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... and while the Elio would be considered to be a motorcycle by federal law, the states can add and modify around those laws using the "autocycle" definition. The "autocycle" is not addressed in the federal language yet.
Therefore, the states may define equipment and configurations specifically for the "autocycle". The need for a center headlight comes to mind. Federal laws say its required, but states can define the "autocycle" as having two headlights a minimum distance apart.
No sir, you are incorrect. Please check the entire body of the NHTSA regulations.

Those regulations have a clause in them that states that the individual states cannot legally vary from the federal standards and requirements. It doesn't matter what the states call a vehicle. The only things concerning a vehicle's equipment and configuration that a state can make their own regulations on is what has NOT already been addressed in the federal regulations. There are hundreds of pages in the NHTSA compliance documentation that have left very little for the states to make their own determinations on. The federal classification and headlight fixtures in question are specifically and extensively covered in the federal documentation.

Again, it does not matter (nor does the federal government care) what the states call a vehicle. What counts is what the federal government has classified said vehicle as and the states are required by federal law to align with, and strictly abide by, the federal requirements of that classification. I've read almost the entire NHTSA documentation at least 30 times. I assure you It's in there and until there is a federal autocycle bill passed into law that changes the federal classification, the NHTSA requirements are the prevailing and governing law for all 50 states.

As far as eye protection and age limitations, the federal documentation does not address those issues. The NHTSA requirements address the vehicles themselves and do not address unattached rider/driver/passenger accessory/safety equipment (helmets and eye protection). Neither do they address licensing or age limitations. Those two areas have been left to the state's discretion for as long as I can remember..

P.S. The NHTSA regulations DO allow for a dual MC headlamp configuration, but they require that the illuminating part of the lamps be no more than 200mm (approximately 8") apart on the center line, and no less than 24" off the ground.
 
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