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[Gas-Powered Awesome]

per the feds, you are correct about [OBDII] being mandated for CARS .... per the feds, an Elio is a motorcycle, not a CAR .... it might pay to consider that prior to launching into a tirade

You missed my point. I didn't say it was mandated for non-cars. I didn't say it was mandated for Elio.

My point is that in the 20+ years since OBDII became widely available, prices for that level of computing power have dropped 95%, yet Elio is telling us they can't do full OBDII because of the cost? Baloney.

As discussed here and in other threads like the one pointed out by RMClubfitter, there are many useful devices an applications that depend on OBDII to function. Elio's choice to (presumably) save a few pennies (literally) by not providing it is a stupid decision IMHO.

 

[JEBar]

My point is that in the 20+ years since OBDII became widely available, prices for that level of computing power have dropped 95%, yet Elio is telling us they can't do full OBDII because of the cost? Baloney.

As discussed here and in other threads like the one pointed out by RMClubfitter, there are many useful devices an applications that depend on OBDII to function. Elio's choice to (presumably) save a few pennies (literally) by not providing it is a stupid decision IMHO.

they certainly could add any level of any option .... I don't see their decision to save a few pennies here any different from similar decisions on other things .... example : in spite of considerable negative reaction, the decision on locating the gas cap was said to save $10 per vehicle .... going with 1 door saved money .... no rear window .... yellow paint cost more, hood lock, and so on .... they've announced that they are currently about $500 over their goal .... to me it will come as a surprise if we don't see more such decisions

 

[Gas-Powered Awesome]

The side the gas cap is on doesn't limit the car's applications and does save 1000 pennies. Saving likely literally 2 pennies (and I wouldn't be surprised if it actually cost them more) on something that does limit applications doesn't make sense.

And as I've said, baloney, I don't believe cost is the reason they are choosing a crippled OBDII implementation. It doesn't make sense.

 

[JEBar]

And as I've said, baloney, I don't believe cost is the reason they are choosing a crippled OBDII implementation. It doesn't make sense.

OK, have it your way .... EM is a company that for some devilishly corrupt reason deliberately chooses to install inferior components .... I doubt I'd deal with a company that I felt that way about but to each his own

 

[Jambe]

I don't believe cost is the reason they are choosing a crippled OBDII implementation. It doesn't make sense.

You might have said, " I believe profit is the reason they are choosing a crippled OBDII implementation."

After all, they do make a cut on the Infinite Skyz system.

But I wouldn't say that!

 

[goofyone]

You missed my point. I didn't say it was mandated for non-cars. I didn't say it was mandated for Elio.

My point is that in the 20+ years since OBDII became widely available, prices for that level of computing power have dropped 95%, yet Elio is telling us they can't do full OBDII because of the cost? Baloney.

As discussed here and in other threads like the one pointed out by RMClubfitter, there are many useful devices an applications that depend on OBDII to function. Elio's choice to (presumably) save a few pennies (literally) by not providing it is a stupid decision IMHO.

There is nobody lying and no conspiracy here instead it is simply the OEM supplier parts business at work.

The problem for Elio Motors is not what it costs to manufacture an ECU, as you are likely correct that this cost does not differ a whole lot, but instead what the ECU manufactures are willing to sell ECU's for. Continental sells ECU's to many vehicle manufactures and they have a price they currently receive for various models of ECU's from these other manufactures which they will not cut just to make EM's price targets as everyone would want this same deal and this would hurt Continentals profit margins. Instead what Continental has done is offered EM a stripped down ECU model which is currently only available in developing market such as India. This ECU is sold for very little money in these countries already so Continental can sell it to EM cheap however it also does not have the more advanced features of the North American and European ECU's. It is my understanding standing that the price difference between these ECU's is in fact significant and not just a few pennies or dollars as they are aimed at completely different world markets.

The Federal government only requires some vehicle identification information and a set of standard OBD-II diagnostic fault codes for emissions and safety systems which must be implemented and mandates the use of CAN bus as the standard communications protocol to be output via the OBD-II standard connector. The streaming sensor data part of the OBD-II standard is an optional component and not required by law even in cars. In the USA right now new vehicles actually have varying levels of support for this data and that is perfectly ok. Also OBD-II is simply a standard external interface to the vehicles systems so not having full support for all the OBD-II options is a completely separate issue from whatever vehicle management features may be happening on the other side of the ECU. This reduced OBD-II functionality as compared to many cars is actually very likely compliant with federal regulations for cars even if it does not technically have to be as EM is a motorcycle according to the federal government.

The Skyz system can display the vehicle information it does because it does not need OBD-II at all as it is designed to bypass the ECU and tap directly into the vehicles management network to access and interpret the sensor data directly.

 

[creekstone]

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Thanks for sharing that.

And thanks for a post that was on topic. (One of my pet peeves about forums. Don't EVEN get me started about facebook.)

 

[pistonboy]

There's a few people here that are going to 'lose their minds' over that statement.

Here we go again.

 

[Kuda]

Snipped: The Skyz system can display the vehicle information it does because it does not need OBD-II at all as it is designed to bypass the ECU and tap directly into the vehicles management network to access and interpret the sensor data directly.

I expect there to be some reduced level of the Skyz System to cover this OBD-II disparity.
The Key will be the option cost.........

 

[pistonboy]

Goofyone,

A very nice couple on this thread said: "That was the impression that I got. goofyone will be able to clarify."

In the movie The Wizard of Oz, there is a scene where the city residents are bewildered by an event and say "The wizard will know"
I believe on this website you are beginning to be viewed by many of us as "the wizard of elioowners.com".