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[RUCRAYZE]

Call me a cynic, but I don't see major hiring starting much more than 60 days prior to production start.
My logic based on restaurant experience.
We had to have all of the tables / booths setup.
We had to have the bar stocked and the dispensers (soda guns) setup.
We had to have the kitchen layout complete.
(That would be the prep line, the broil line, the fry line, the QC position the soda guns)
We had to have food in all of the freezers.
Then we had to start training people for their jobs. (We brought experienced people in from other stores.)
Then we practiced.
Then we had what was called mock live. (employees had their families in to act as guests)
I realize a car plant is not the same as a restaurant but their are similarities.
Food in the freezers ------ equivalent to parts stocked.
Kitchen layout ---------- equivalent to plant floor
But you wont do a mock live.
It will start up and run.
So 60 days (at most) before run date you will start interviewing.

Sorry I can't call you a cynic, I now have a better understanding of how a resturant business gets "off the ground".

 

[John Painter]

Sorry I can't call you a cynic, I now have a better understanding of how a resturant business gets "off the ground".

Will Elio come with a side of fries, mashed potato, or rice?

 

[WilliamH]

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Will Elio come with a side of fries, mashed potato, or rice?

That will come as it gos through the QC station ------ marshaling center

 

[eddie66]

Call me a cynic, but I don't see major hiring starting much more than 60 days prior to production start.
My logic based on restaurant experience.
We had to have all of the tables / booths setup.
We had to have the bar stocked and the dispensers (soda guns) setup.
We had to have the kitchen layout complete.
(That would be the prep line, the broil line, the fry line, the QC position the soda guns)
We had to have food in all of the freezers.
Then we had to start training people for their jobs. (We brought experienced people in from other stores.)
Then we practiced.
Then we had what was called mock live. (employees had their families in to act as guests)
I realize a car plant is not the same as a restaurant but their are similarities.
Food in the freezers ------ equivalent to parts stocked.
Kitchen layout ---------- equivalent to plant floor
But you wont do a mock live.
It will start up and run.
So 60 days (at most) before run date you will start interviewing.

Incidentally, we used the production "back of house" computer for the hiring process so that the data base was loaded with all of the employees when we started.

When the fines for not hiring the employees beyond the extention period, exceeds what it would cost to hire them, I believe you will see the hiring happen whether they are ready or not. Think about starting your restaurant and paying 1500 employees you don't have. If it doesn't happen this time, I believe this will be the last delay for Paul Elio, and Stewart will look for a new tennent for the plant. $5000 per job. 7.5 million. Just a dose of reality
http://www.ksla.com/story/28037171/...uld-face-fines-with-further-production-delays

 

[WilliamH]

When the fines for not hiring the employees beyond the extention period, exceeds what it would cost to hire them, I believe you will see the hiring happen whether they are ready or not. Think about starting your restaurant and paying 1500 employees you don't have. If it doesn't happen this time, I believe this will be the last delay for Paul Elio, and Stewart will look for a new tennent for the plant. Just a dose of reality

The hiring process has to be started, not completed by a certain time.
If the line is rolling and they are staffing up by that (?) date, I think it meets the requirement.

 

[Rickb]

Call me a cynic, but I don't see major hiring starting much more than 60 days prior to production start.
My logic based on restaurant experience.
We had to have all of the tables / booths setup.
We had to have the bar stocked and the dispensers (soda guns) setup.
We had to have the kitchen layout complete.
(That would be the prep line, the broil line, the fry line, the QC position the soda guns)
We had to have food in all of the freezers.
Then we had to start training people for their jobs. (We brought experienced people in from other stores.)
Then we practiced.
Then we had what was called mock live. (employees had their families in to act as guests)
I realize a car plant is not the same as a restaurant but their are similarities.
Food in the freezers ------ equivalent to parts stocked.
Kitchen layout ---------- equivalent to plant floor
But you wont do a mock live.
It will start up and run.
So 60 days (at most) before run date you will start interviewing.

Incidentally, we used the production "back of house" computer for the hiring process so that the data base was loaded with all of the employees when we started.

No cynic and good logic! Whatever works when they get to the point of hiring perhaps a limited first hire for plant tooling and a practice production run or two followed by additional hires as needed to ramp up production. I have difficulty getting past the funding needed for prototype builds, One step at a time and then the crucial hiring deadline to consider.

 

[John Painter]

We get back into the debate on funding and we choose to believe what we believe. I don't believe Elio had full access to funds in early 2013 but rather had anticipated funding and even counting on funds generated from the sale of equipment once they had access to the plant. I can't blame Stephenie Lynch for being cautious about spending $7.5 Million in public funds.

Paul Elio was also saying he had funding (anticipated funding) to start production without additional sources right up until a few days before this last delay. The lack of credibility regarding funding comes back to haunt me periodically. My hope now is that the next time EM says we have funding it's verifiably in the bank and protoype building/testing becomes a reality along with starting the hiring process for the 1500 EM jobs.

I hear you.

Personally I am skeptical about Commissioner Lynch's motives, because when she bailed on Caddo Parish, to run for Shreveport City Council, after that whole debacle (interesting), she said she filed the suit to guarantee that they "wouldn't give the money away and not hire our citizens"... but of course she really does want to attract business to Caddo Parish. That just didn't ring right with me. I am probably a bit of a carpet bagger, I'll out myself on that - I do have family in the Lake Charles area, so I know LA politics can be rather flexible in the morality department. I'm not saying Maine is great, we have our issues too, I'm just saying LA has a reputation.

 

[eddie66]

The hiring process has to be started, not completed by a certain time.
If the line is rolling and they are staffing up by that (?) date, I think it meets the requirement.

It actually doesn't meet the requirement. I too believe the Parrish wants to see Elio succeed as much as we do, and I'm sure if he was able to show a working vehicle and the means to finance it, they would be willing to work with him. If he still needs $250,000,000 when the extention is up, I doubt they will be as understanding as we are.

 

[Silverbullet]

I hear you.

Personally I am skeptical about Commissioner Lynch's motives, because when she bailed on Caddo Parish, to run for Shreveport City Council, after that whole debacle (interesting), she said she filed the suit to guarantee that they "wouldn't give the money away and not hire our citizens"... but of course she really does want to attract business to Caddo Parish. That just didn't ring right with me. I am probably a bit of a carpet bagger, I'll out myself on that - I do have family in the Lake Charles area, so I know LA politics can be rather flexible in the morality department. I'm not saying Maine is great, we have our issues too, I'm just saying LA has a reputation.

Doesn't matter.....They didn't have the money or an engine/transmission at that time to start any serious production anyway. That whole thing back then just didn't add up!

 

[WilliamH]

It actually doesn't meet the requirement. I too believe the Parrish wants to see Elio succeed as much as we do, and I'm sure if he was able to show a working vehicle and the means to finance it, they would be willing to work with him. If he still needs $250,000,000 when the extention is up, I doubt they will be as understanding as we are.

I read the link you posted. Nothing s graved in stone and credit has been given for good faith efforts.
If no one has been hired by 7-1-16 there could be a real problem, but that is 15 months away, and a lot can happen in that length of time