John Painter
Elio Addict
No wonder indeed.
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Ekh
Elio Addict
Elio says they're now at 81 mpg highway. AND $500 over cost target
WilliamH
Elio Addict
Not surprising. EPA does their tests with E0 rather than the E10 or E15 we buy at the pump. Also, their numbers are either calculated or done on a chassis dyno.
John Painter
Elio Addict
What do you suggest Elio say? e.g. "Neither we, AIV or Altair Engineering, Cooper Tire understand automotive engineering, fluid dynamics and math well enough to design a vehicle that performs in a certain way.... so our vehicles fuel economy will be better than a '73 Pinto but worse than VW's XL1"?
Do you happen to have the drag coefficient, new engine burn rate, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseam? Stuff that is actually used to develop, then test vehicles? I know I don't. So I'll just exercise reason like I believe you are.
I see no reason the Elio could not easily get in the 84+mpg ball park, slice a Honda Insight in half lengthwise and you pretty much have an Elio.
Paul has said for a while that they are at 81 mpg and they continue to work toward 84 .... the reality is he has all of the technical info, he has all the specs, he knows what is being done and what isn't being done .... he knows what is fact and what is guess .... what is science and what is sales hype .... the reality also is, the mileage number will be an estimate based on testing .....they are not intended to be a guarantee of what every individual driver will get .... I tend to believe (until they should be proven wrong) the info they provide .... I'll certainly look at guesses anyone else wishes to make but as pure guesses I can't lend them much credibility
Ekh
Elio Addict
People seem to think the mileage somewhere around 81 is a betrayal. It isn't of course; it is a technical goal and we are right now within 3 percent of it.
I think that's absolutely fabulous. I'd be happy as a pig in mud with mileage like that.
I think that's absolutely fabulous. I'd be happy as a pig in mud with mileage like that.
Ekh
Elio Addict
Here's a question for you -- if you're Paul Elio, and you learn that you can meet your mileage goal, but it will cost $200 more per car, do you do it?
Then, to make things worse, say you do choose the mpg goal -- and someone then says wait a minute, we can get that $200 and an additional $200, so you're only $300 above cost, but you have to have such-and-such a part made in Rwanda. Do you do it?
I'm sure that Paul is actually wrestling with questions very like these every day. And being an engineer, I'm sure he's hoping to balance the trade-offs to get as close as possible to both mpg and cost targets. But at this point, none of these decisions can be easy one.
Then, to make things worse, say you do choose the mpg goal -- and someone then says wait a minute, we can get that $200 and an additional $200, so you're only $300 above cost, but you have to have such-and-such a part made in Rwanda. Do you do it?
I'm sure that Paul is actually wrestling with questions very like these every day. And being an engineer, I'm sure he's hoping to balance the trade-offs to get as close as possible to both mpg and cost targets. But at this point, none of these decisions can be easy one.
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Thanks for that musical blast from the past! Fond memories of a bygone musical era.
I sense an Elio Owner's Theme Song opportunity: Que Sera, Sera instrumental playing very softly in the background while we continue to speculate.
