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jdkeats

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It's Fox News, they're ALWAYS LYING

"beleaguered" LOL BS Solar is exploding, planet-wide, prices droping, 100Ks of job creation, wealth creation, while BigOil and BigCoal are killing 10Ks of jobs. Solar is electrifying rural regions all over the planet. Nobody here remembers how US taxpayers "socialistically" paid for USA's own "rural electrification" in the '30 and '40s. US taxpayers also built 1000s hydrodamns, and 100Ks of rural "farm to market" road, AND the Interstate Highway system.

"fraught with technology challenges" and scandal LOL BS

"cannot survive without government giveaways" LOL BS $Bs are wasted on BigCarbon

proven failures,” said Heritage Foundation LOL BS is a VRWC stink tank, spewing propaganda and lies, run by Jim Demented.

Solyndra AGAIN! LOL Abound Solar LOL US govt "winner picking" returns $Bs to the govt, and has a much higher success rate than venture capital

"a workforce of solar technicians", Fox LIES by omission by not saying this program is aimed specifically at VETS.

Fox News defends BigCarbon's $Bs in subsidies by not mentioning them, BigOil "needing" taxpayer $Bs to prop up its $100Bs in profits?? LOL

As I've posted before, if the US govt gives Elio the "socialistic" $180M from taxpayers, it's because US govt has done its homework, and "winner picking" Elio. btw, if the Repugs had their say, Elio wouldn't get a penny from taxpayers.

WOW, that was a mouthful of liberal rant
 

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LOL, if only solar industry got 1% of what oil, gas, and coal industry have gotten through the years in direct and indirect subsidies! We'd be fully independent from our oil dealers for 25 years now.

True. That’s why other countries are much ahead of the United States in developing solar technology, because they use tax money and incentives to fund innovation. For example Germany has more than double the output of solar energy as compared to the US at half the price per kWh (and that country only has a fraction of available sunlight).

And if government would adequately support start ups that have innovative ideas to save resources and energy, we would be much further along in the process of actually seeing Elio’s being produced…
 

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True. That’s why other countries are much ahead of the United States in developing solar technology, because they use tax money and incentives to fund innovation. For example Germany has more than double the output of solar energy as compared to the US at half the price per kWh (and that country only has a fraction of available sunlight).

And if government would adequately support start ups that have innovative ideas to save resources and energy, we would be much further along in the process of actually seeing Elio’s being produced…


3 years ago I flew to Bavaria, Germany for business. I had known they were ahead of the curve on solar, but it's quite astonishing to see small villages that look like they are straight out of The Sound of Music with solar panels on the majority of rooftops. There are barns there that are over 1000 years old yet have solar on them. It's really cool.

I live in the heart of the best solar resource in the world in Arizona -- if solar had a tiny fraction of the handouts gas, coal and oil have gotten, our society and technology would be advanced decades ahead of where we are. We have been held back.
 

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3 years ago I flew to Bavaria, Germany for business. I had known they were ahead of the curve on solar, but it's quite astonishing to see small villages that look like they are straight out of The Sound of Music with solar panels on the majority of rooftops. There are barns there that are over 1000 years old yet have solar on them. It's really cool.

I live in the heart of the best solar resource in the world in Arizona -- if solar had a tiny fraction of the handouts gas, coal and oil have gotten, our society and technology would be advanced decades ahead of where we are. We have been held back.
It's puzzling why anyone would oppose low interest gov't loans to encourage development of solar energy and other alternative energy innovations unless somehow connected directly to gas, coal, and oil. That same logic/mentality would oppose the 84 mpg Elio ATVM Loan approval and other alternative vehicle developments. I don't get it.
 

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3 years ago I flew to Bavaria, Germany for business. I had known they were ahead of the curve on solar, but it's quite astonishing to see small villages that look like they are straight out of The Sound of Music with solar panels on the majority of rooftops. There are barns there that are over 1000 years old yet have solar on them. It's really cool.

I live in the heart of the best solar resource in the world in Arizona -- if solar had a tiny fraction of the handouts gas, coal and oil have gotten, our society and technology would be advanced decades ahead of where we are. We have been held back.

Photovoltaic research didn't really get prices down to reasonable levels until the early '70s.
History of PV technology ---------- http://www.sunlightelectric.com/pvhistory.php
Keep in mind that the US started with a lot more technology than Europe and more cheap exploitable natural resources.
Albert Einstein publishes paper on theory behind “photoelectric effect” along with paper on relativity theory seven years before Arizona became a state.
Always good to keep things in perspective.
 

WilliamH

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It's Fox News, they're ALWAYS LYING

"beleaguered" LOL BS Solar is exploding, planet-wide, prices droping, 100Ks of job creation, wealth creation, while BigOil and BigCoal are killing 10Ks of jobs. Solar is electrifying rural regions all over the planet. Nobody here remembers how US taxpayers "socialistically" paid for USA's own "rural electrification" in the '30 and '40s. US taxpayers also built 1000s hydrodamns, and 100Ks of rural "farm to market" road, AND the Interstate Highway system.

"fraught with technology challenges" and scandal LOL BS

"cannot survive without government giveaways" LOL BS $Bs are wasted on BigCarbon

proven failures,” said Heritage Foundation LOL BS is a VRWC stink tank, spewing propaganda and lies, run by Jim Demented.

Solyndra AGAIN! LOL Abound Solar LOL US govt "winner picking" returns $Bs to the govt, and has a much higher success rate than venture capital

"a workforce of solar technicians", Fox LIES by omission by not saying this program is aimed specifically at VETS.

Fox News defends BigCarbon's $Bs in subsidies by not mentioning them, BigOil "needing" taxpayer $Bs to prop up its $100Bs in profits?? LOL

As I've posted before, if the US govt gives Elio the "socialistic" $180M from taxpayers, it's because US govt has done its homework, and "winner picking" Elio. btw, if the Repugs had their say, Elio wouldn't get a penny from taxpayers.


The problem is, you are just writing down out of context "snip its".
You should really cite source URLs for your material.
 

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Photovoltaic research didn't really get prices down to reasonable levels until the early '70s.
History of PV technology ---------- http://www.sunlightelectric.com/pvhistory.php
Keep in mind that the US started with a lot more technology than Europe and more cheap exploitable natural resources.
Albert Einstein publishes paper on theory behind “photoelectric effect” along with paper on relativity theory seven years before Arizona became a state.
Always good to keep things in perspective.
Exploitable is the key word. Oil, coal, and gas companies exploiting both our natural resources and the consumer base. Times are changing and we need to make up for the exploited time to meet our future needs. We should have been smart enough to consider alternatives and look to the future right after Arizona became a State. We started with more technology and should have maintained the level to remain competitive in the global markets.
 

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Exploitable is the key word. Oil, coal, and gas companies exploiting both our natural resources and the consumer base. Times are changing and we need to make up for the exploited time to meet our future needs. We should have been smart enough to consider alternatives and look to the future right after Arizona became a State. We started with more technology and should have maintained the level to remain competitive in the global markets.

Resources include things other than Petroleum. You would have to include minerals that were used for our steel industry which in turn produced rails for the railroads and lumber for the railroad ties and bridges. Not to mention coal for the steam boilers on railroads. And while we are at it, the intellectual resources which were given away to help (?) underdeveloped nations. I think they were called technology transfers. Usually made by our government of technology that was privately developed that the developers were denied an honest profit on.
And for some reason, I don't remember having DeLorians with flux capacitors so that we could go back to the future and see solar cells and giant wind turbines (that are made in China). I do remember working windmills on my neighbors ranches that still pump water (that we don't water laws with.)
Sounds like the exploitation is of people who actually work for a living.
 
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