How Will The Apple Ev Affect Em Sales?

[Jeff Porter]

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Hmmm I guess there are some who don't like Apple's business model..

I found an article about this Jan. 2012 incident that said this:

"The Taiwanese manufacturing giant [Foxconn] that produces electronics for companies including Apple, Hewlett-Packard and Dell said workers had demonstrated by threatening to throw themselves off the roof of a factory in Wuhan on 4 January. About 150 employees took part in the protest at the plant, which makes X-Box 360 video games."

If the above is true, then it's not just Apple... it's HP, Dell and Microsoft too.

I'll research on this some more and see what's happened in the last 3 1/2 yrs.

 

[bowers baldwin]

Been in graphics and video business since forever. I've used many Macs over the years – ever since they started making them. Expensive but always rock solid.

PC = piece of crap

Apple Recalls (updated 7-26-11)
Computer Defect Identify Status Link
PowerBook Battery (G4 15") A1045: HQ404, HQ405, HQ406, HQ407, or HQ408 Ended Link

Battery (G4 15") A1078: 3X446-3X509 Ended Link

Battery (G4 15") A1078 and A1148: 3K425-3K601, 6N601 ending with THTC, 6N530-6N551 ending with THTA, THTB, THTC Ended Link

Battery (G4 12") A1079: 3X446-3X510, ZZ411-ZZ427, 3K428-3K611 Ended Link

AC Adapter (G3) 2-prong adapter: "Macintosh PowerBook 45W AC Adapter" and "Model Number: M4402." Ended Link

Display (G4 15") V7334-V7345, QT331-QT339 Ended N/A

RAM Slot (15" 1.5/1.67) W8503-W8518 Ended Link
iBook Battery (G4 12") A1061: ZZ338-ZZ427, 3K429-3K611, 6C519-6C552 ending with S9WA, S9WC, S9WD Ended Link

Battery (G4 12") A1061: HQ441-HQ507 Ended Link

Logic Board (G3) UV117-UV342 Ended Link
MacBook Hard Drive Flashing Question Mark with certain hard drives. Processor speed = 1.83ghz, 2ghz, or 2.16ghz, HD Capacity = 60gb, 80gb, 100gb, 120gb, or 160gb. My guess is at least Seagate drives with firmware 7.01 and 3.CAE (or 3.XXX) are covered, since those are the two main bad ones I've found. Ended Link
Battery purchased between February 2006 and April 2007 Ended Link
Bottom Case MacBooks shipped between October 2009 and April 2011 ("under certain circumstances the rubber surface on some MacBooks may separate from the bottom case of the system"). Active Link
MacBook Pro Battery purchased between February 2006 and April 2007 Ended Link

Video Card (2.2-2.6) MacBook Pro (15- and 17-inch) with NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics processor Active Link
PowerMac G5 Power Supply (2-2.5) CK539-CK608, G8539-G8608, YM539-YM608, RM539-RM608 Ended Link
iMac G5 Power Supply (20") iMac EMC number: 2056 Ended Link

Video/Power W8435-W8522, QP435-QP522, CK435-CK522, YD435-YD522 Ended Link
iMac Intel (2006) Vertical Lines on LCD Display Not officially "recalled" but word is Apple will fix for free after Genius Bar appointment. Active? N/A
iMac Intel 27" LCD Display (Yellow Tint) Not officially "recalled" but word is Apple will fix for free after Genius Bar appointment. Active? N/A
iMac Intel (2011) Hard Drive Some Seagate hard drives are bad. Check link to see if your model qualifies. Active Link
eMac G4 Video/Power G8412-G8520, YM412-YM520, VM414-VM518 Ended Link
Mac Pro Video Card (ATI X1900 XT) V6Z in the last 4 digits of the card's serial number Ended Link
MagSafe Power Adapter Frayed/stressed cable Any MagSafe with this problem, within 3 years of purchase date or May 21 2012, whichever is later Active Link


"always rock solid" ummm I've been an Apple tech since 1992, I've seen too many broken ones to buy that.
I own 6 PCs and one Mac, Macs are great in the graphics field but for the rest of the working world PC is king.

 

[Jeff Porter]

For Foxconn in China and worker protests:

• There appears to have been a protest in Jan. 2012 in Wuhan
• There appears to have been another protest in Apr. 2012 in Wuhan
• An article in Oct 2012, mentions that a worker strike from the factory happened recently before the article; apparently most of the workers involved dealt with quality control on Apple iPhone construction; this article said a different Foxconn plant in late Sept had a brawl between employees break out, among 2000 employees, with 40 getting hurt; that factory was closed for a day;
• That same article mentioned something that I found interesting: 190,000 employees work at the Zhenghou complex. Holy cow! When you have that many employees at one site, there's bound to be a few that are suicidal. Not giving excuses, just sayin'.
• An article from June 2015, says that factory provides electronics to Sony, Nintendo and Amazon; it also said that most complaints at that time were coming from groups outside of plant employees, which of course feeds the conspiracy theories;
• Wikipedia article on Foxconn suicides, says "Although the number of workplace suicides at the company in 2010 was large in absolute terms, the rate is low when compared to the rest of China."
• Wikipedia also says "The suicide rate at Foxconn during 2010 remained lower than that of the general Chinese population at the time, as well as all 50 states of the United States (U.S.)."
• Also, "At the time of the company's press conference on May 26, 2014, in relation to the deaths, Foxconn was the world’s largest contract electronics manufacturer, the factory in which the deaths occurred employed around 300,000 people..."

 

[Injunjoe]

PC=piece of crap? Not if you do what I did. Bought a new Dell laptop for $50 dollars off without windoze on it. Came with Ubuntu Linux which I upgraded to Kubuntu. Rock solid. No backdoors (like Mac and Windows), spyware, or viruses. Laptop was $327 shipped to my door. Beat that Mac or windoze!

 

[84mpg]

Apple Recalls (updated 7-26-11)
Computer Defect Identify Status Link
PowerBook Battery (G4 15") A1045: HQ404, HQ405, HQ406, HQ407, or HQ408 Ended Link

Battery (G4 15") A1078: 3X446-3X509 Ended Link

Battery (G4 15") A1078 and A1148: 3K425-3K601, 6N601 ending with THTC, 6N530-6N551 ending with THTA, THTB, THTC Ended Link

Battery (G4 12") A1079: 3X446-3X510, ZZ411-ZZ427, 3K428-3K611 Ended Link

AC Adapter (G3) 2-prong adapter: "Macintosh PowerBook 45W AC Adapter" and "Model Number: M4402." Ended Link

Display (G4 15") V7334-V7345, QT331-QT339 Ended N/A

RAM Slot (15" 1.5/1.67) W8503-W8518 Ended Link
iBook Battery (G4 12") A1061: ZZ338-ZZ427, 3K429-3K611, 6C519-6C552 ending with S9WA, S9WC, S9WD Ended Link

Battery (G4 12") A1061: HQ441-HQ507 Ended Link

Logic Board (G3) UV117-UV342 Ended Link
MacBook Hard Drive Flashing Question Mark with certain hard drives. Processor speed = 1.83ghz, 2ghz, or 2.16ghz, HD Capacity = 60gb, 80gb, 100gb, 120gb, or 160gb. My guess is at least Seagate drives with firmware 7.01 and 3.CAE (or 3.XXX) are covered, since those are the two main bad ones I've found. Ended Link
Battery purchased between February 2006 and April 2007 Ended Link
Bottom Case MacBooks shipped between October 2009 and April 2011 ("under certain circumstances the rubber surface on some MacBooks may separate from the bottom case of the system"). Active Link
MacBook Pro Battery purchased between February 2006 and April 2007 Ended Link

Video Card (2.2-2.6) MacBook Pro (15- and 17-inch) with NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT graphics processor Active Link
PowerMac G5 Power Supply (2-2.5) CK539-CK608, G8539-G8608, YM539-YM608, RM539-RM608 Ended Link
iMac G5 Power Supply (20") iMac EMC number: 2056 Ended Link

Video/Power W8435-W8522, QP435-QP522, CK435-CK522, YD435-YD522 Ended Link
iMac Intel (2006) Vertical Lines on LCD Display Not officially "recalled" but word is Apple will fix for free after Genius Bar appointment. Active? N/A
iMac Intel 27" LCD Display (Yellow Tint) Not officially "recalled" but word is Apple will fix for free after Genius Bar appointment. Active? N/A
iMac Intel (2011) Hard Drive Some Seagate hard drives are bad. Check link to see if your model qualifies. Active Link
eMac G4 Video/Power G8412-G8520, YM412-YM520, VM414-VM518 Ended Link
Mac Pro Video Card (ATI X1900 XT) V6Z in the last 4 digits of the card's serial number Ended Link
MagSafe Power Adapter Frayed/stressed cable Any MagSafe with this problem, within 3 years of purchase date or May 21 2012, whichever is later Active Link


"always rock solid" ummm I've been an Apple tech since 1992, I've seen too many broken ones to buy that.
I own 6 PCs and one Mac, Macs are great in the graphics field but for the rest of the working world PC is king.
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What I meant was – Macs have always been rock solid for me (and the companies I've worked for.) My first Mac was in 1984. Over the years, I've worked daily (and nightly) on dozens of them. For the last 10 years, I've worked heavy in video editing. I've had only one Seagate hard drive go out in 29 years. That's it. I must be the luckiest Mac user in the world, according to your list.

 

[bowers baldwin]

What I meant was – Macs have always been rock solid for me (and the companies I've worked for.) My first Mac was in 1984. Over the years, I've worked daily (and nightly) on dozens of them. For the last 10 years, I've worked heavy in video editing. I've had only one Seagate hard drive go out in 29 years. That's it. I must be the luckiest Mac user in the world, according to your list.

Well according to me, everything is junk. I've seen all types and name brands fail, no one has a lock on a perfect system. They all fail eventually and they are outdated before you can get them out of the box. Look if I gave you $1 Million dollars and had you buy me the best computer you could, in 7 years it would be landfill. I get sentimental with cars, not technology. I have an attic full of $2000 computers that aren't worth squat now. I have cars and bike that are 40+ years old and they are worth more now then when they were new. Been doing this since the 80's so I'm just a jaded tech, I don't gush with
PC/Printer love anymore,,,, it's all junk.