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Sooo, Have The Unwritten Rules Been Suspended Or Do They Continue?

Discussion in 'Forum Rules, Site Suggestions, & Help' started by XanWolf, Dec 29, 2018.

  1. Ty

    Ty Elio Addict

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    I thing battery technology is about to change to a format that is not limited by the abundance of some rare-earth mineral... Solid state batteries, here we come!
     
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  2. Phil B

    Phil B Elio Enthusiast

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    To Elio Motors:
    1. For commuters the electric vehicle is the current optimum option because the “filling station”:is the owners home or garage. The preferred commuter vehicles will be electric for the foreseeable future.
    2. Hydrogen powered vehicles will eventually replace gasoline for vehicles that need to make long trips but that is at least a full decade away. The issue is distribution of fuel stations.
    3. A small electric car costs about $28,000 AFTER FEDERAL REBATE, which may soon be ending. If Elio could produce an electric version of their current vehicle for a list price of $12,000 before any options were added, this could be the way to get the funding needed to produce this vehicle. Let’s do some simple math. The current vehicle is going to be about $7800 assuming that still works. If you buy a base unit at $7800 and use it for a commuter vehicle at 15,000 miles per year, your gas cost at current low cost will be $750 per year plus an annual maintenance fee of at least $100 for oil change all filters and etc. (My cost on my gas powered golf cart runs $150 for annual maintenance plus gasoline). A base unit electric at $12k woluld be the same price in 5 years or at 75,000 miles. Batteries should be good for at least 100,000 miles. An Elio EV commuter with a range of 150 miles or more could be just what was need to get the funding necessary to start production. (According to several electric car start up the motor cost for electric is from $3000 to $6000 more than an existing small gas engine.)

    As usual, with my opinion and a crisp $5 bill you can get a Happy Meal at Mickey D’s. What do other
    Elio owners think of this solution?
     
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  3. Rickb

    Rickb Elio Addict

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    Happy Meals are $5?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Most Elio fans are a little ICEy towards electrics and the idea of an EVElio, but I’m all-in on the idea. :)
    Happy New Year Everybody!
     
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    Coss Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Send the idea to Elio Motors and see what they say, then let us know what they say.
    I doubt you'll hear anything positive.
    Telling us does nothing except create some bad feelings among the long time supporters.
     
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    Phil B Elio Enthusiast

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    The $5 was a tongue in check comment. Since it appears Elio is “dead in the water” on the current gasoline vehicle, perhaps an EV version could revitalize this company and allow a vehicle to actually be produced. The $1k spent 3 years ago is gone but I would like to think there might be a possibly getting something back.
     
  6. Rickb

    Rickb Elio Addict

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    If you are looking for an affordable ($15K well equipped) three wheeler EV and the single seater SOLO happened to meet your needs, Electra Meccannica will honor your $1K Elio deposit when reserving the SOLO. You would be taking full advantage of your entire deposit and have something fun to drive while waiting on Elio funding.
     
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    johnsnownw Elio Addict

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    1. I would add that Model 3 sales, and subsequent Supercharger crowding, that we're starting to move out of the realm of BEVs as commuter vehicles. We only own BEVs, and I've made multiple 1300 mile trips with my family of five (through the Midwest) with mine.

    2. FCEVs have MUCH greater issues to overcome than just the fueling network. Current pricing for 700bar H2 is $14/kg...which means it would cost you around $70 to drive 300 miles in a Mirai. It costs $18 to make that same trip in a Prius, and $9.00 in a Model 3 (in California). There are other issues, but they're more on the retail side...which isn't an owner's problem.

    3. A 2019 Nissan LEAF is <$23k AFTER THE REBATE, but still considerably more expensive than the Acrimoto. With proper BMS, and the right batteries, they should last 300k+ miles...if Tesla packs are any indication.
     
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    I don't see why it would be out of the realm of possiblilities to offer a conventional ELIO along side an electric version. You could almost just make the powertrain modular. You could use the engine space for batteries and use a couple of hub motors to drive the front wheels. The gas tank, of course, would not be needed. Sure, why not offer two drivetrains? (The GM plant is more than capable of having a couple of different drivetrains easily integrated.
     
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    What Elio would have to do is knock it out of the park for Electric. So it really becomes a packaging issue. The floor and front of the vehicle needs to be full of batteries. That would require a chassis change as the current one would not have enough space. The reason for the amount of space is that they need to offer a single EV that gives great range. I'd also raise the rear of the roof up to make it look like the Solo or a station wagon. It won't hurt the aero and give more space for people that want to carry stuff with them. Something on the order of 250 miles while using AC or Heat. That would fit the need for the people that drive 100 miles to and from work (200 miles total) and not have to charge at work. Charge $15K for it and you got something that people can afford and it's so much less than any other new EV that it breaks through the barrier of an actual all weather EV. Then they need to make it "connected" like my i3 where you have an app that you can condition it before you get in or just make it charge when you want it to be charged (i.e. if you pay less for electric at night).

    I know it wouldn't be the 600 mile range that people are wanting buy I doubt that most people will be doing 600 mile drives that often. in the end, it becomes the "and' EV of the household. I'd buy one in a jiffy if that was offered. As time goes on my love affair with ICE keeps going down for everyday use. As a hobby it's fine but Elio is not marketed to the hobbyist.
     
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    Although there are many in-wheel hub motors pros, potential cons.........unsprung weight and Electrek’s take:
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