zelio
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What are street lights? Our "street" was a dirt road and the address was a Rural Route. The phone was a 3 or 4 party line and when you picked it up the operator said number please. My how times have changed.
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The Compelling Case Of Now !
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Music Man
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"Street lights" for a farm kid, Truett, out in the middle of "no where, USA" is the "Milkyway Galaxy."
Thought everyone knew that.
Music Man
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Well, Z, it's only 1:00 am here and I am usually up until at least 3:00 every morning, but I have an early roll out in the morning to do my chores before going to town to have my "ivories" cleaned and checked by the tooth fairy. . . . . . So I'm gonna turn off these lights and head over to the other end of the house.
I've enjoyed our visit this evening and look forward to seeing you again tomorrow.
Rest well, my Friend, and my God Bless you!
Truett Collins
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Hope you have a good night....will be here till 0700 in the am.....
No more politics, what color is your Elio.
Jeff Porter
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While I admire your enthusiasm and agree the Elio will be a big deal, I fear it may have clouded your judgment on some points. I think when we promote it our strength must come from accurate comparisons that don't give the doubters a reason to question the facts about the Elio.
Hybrid, plug-in hybrid, and battery electric sales are not declining. They were from 2008 until 2011 most-likely due to the government-caused economic charlie-foxtrot, but surged in 2012 and 2013 nearly doubling 2011 sales in each year. I agree all-gas is the better choice, but that doesn't negate the fact that hybrid and electric vehicles are popular and demand is increasing.
Rich people buying electric and hybrid cars to improve their image is called "greenwashing". The poster child for this is Al Gore making a movie about climate change (née "global warming") while owning a gigantic energy-guzzling mansion and jetting all over the world in CO2-spewing jet aircraft to promote his movie about reducing greenhouse gases.
Income inequality has been growing for decades. The rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer, the middle class is shrinking. All facts.
Government subsidies can work. Our entire highway system is one gigantic subsidy to the tune of about 500 Billion with a B dollars. I'd call it a raging success. it is a fact that subsidies work best in narrow circumstances where they benefit all Americans, not just a select few. The highway system: Yes. Solyndra: No! Hybrid/electric car subsidies: I don't think so.
Elio has applied for a government subsidy so you'd better hope they work. If it's a "loan" no bank will take and with low or no interest, it's a taxpayer handout. The difference in interest rate between what a bank would charge to make the loan and what the gov charges is free money, handout, subsidy, whatever you wish to call it.
Hybrids do not "do more damage to our environment then even a Hummer H2." That little myth (or big lie) has been thoroughly debunked. It is a fact that even hybrids are doing irreversible damage to the environment, but not quite as much as a Hummer. The real fact is the only "green" vehicle is no vehicle at all. If you own any vehicle powered by anything other than your own arms and legs, you are not "green".
Coal generates less than half of the electricity in the USA. It is however the biggest single source at just under half, but that ain't "most". "Renewables", meanwhile, are a rounding error of a couple or three percent. We will however continue to have cheap electricity at least for our lifetimes courtesy of the natural gas boom.
Median price paid for F-150 is about $36,000 right now.
"More supply with less demand": Unfortunately, no, that's not how it works. Look up Jevons Paradox: Higher efficiency paradoxically leads to higher consumption. The guy came up with the theory in 1865 and it's been well-tested since then. Gasoline is a prime example: Vehicle fuel efficiency has been steadily increasing for the last 30+ years, but today we use more gasoline than we ever have. Q.E.D.
Finally, I think you've hit the nail on the head that the Elio is a great idea with a great future because of it's simplicity, affordability, and fuel economy. Looking forward to mine.
Did some research on demand for hybrids... found this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_electric_vehicles_in_the_United_States
Remember, not everything is true that's on the internet, but here's what wikipedia says:
Total sales of hybrids in the U.S. - did it go up from previous year to the specified year?
'07 - yes
'08 - no
'09 - no
'10 - no
'11 - no
'12 - yes (huge jump, 61%)
'13 - yes
As you can see, if you pay attention to 2008-2011, the answer is demand went down. If you look at 2012 to today, demand is up. This does not include plug-in hybrid and all-electric vehicles.
Jayne Shelby
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Very well said. The Elio will be a game changer for sure.
Truett Collins
Elio Addict
Haven't really decided yet, waiting till they come out with the final pigmentation for their colors.
Dusty921
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What we are all looking for here is the success of a DREAM.
A DREAM that we all can watch succeed and participate in.
A DREAM that is based on individuality and ingenuity.
A DREAM that will succeed without Government controlling our Industry, income, healthcare, etc.
A DREAM that shows that we still control our own lives.
Elio is that dream, Paul Elio's dream. I sincerely hope to shake his hand someday and thank him.
Thanks, TKVancil, great sentiments.
A DREAM that we all can watch succeed and participate in.
A DREAM that is based on individuality and ingenuity.
A DREAM that will succeed without Government controlling our Industry, income, healthcare, etc.
A DREAM that shows that we still control our own lives.
Elio is that dream, Paul Elio's dream. I sincerely hope to shake his hand someday and thank him.
Thanks, TKVancil, great sentiments.
A DREAM that will be realized only BECAUSE of GOVERNMENT support and involvement. Local Shreveport, The State of LA, and the Federal. There are Government Regulations controlling our industry and Elio Motors has a VP of GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS to work in 'harmony' with GOVERNMENT to make some changes. I'm working with my local State Senator to sponsor legislation to change the current MC licensing and helmet requirements. He was unaware of the Elio, but impresssed when I showed him the specs and is working to get it done as a result of the contact. Government can and does work when the right people are involved in the process..............both politicians and constituents.