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At the moment, this (Mark Bex) project looks like just some small custom car project. And positioned in a area (2F1R commuter car start-up) that appears to be failed(yet again).
But those failures (up to now) by Elio and others are a good guide on how to go forward if medium to large production comes back onto the table. I think it is good to not talk about that now, to keep it stealthy, but also because it is not in the moment of focus.
I became suspicious of the trolls at the time, and kept an note of what they seemed to be up to. And it didn't make sense from the point of view they claimed to represent. And some use of language was not quite right. Admittedly my own language skills in writing don't fit the norm, but my flaw is to fit too much thought and complexity in. (just like now)
So at my most basic conclusion, I feel, they had an unspoken agenda. So who can have that? Chev,Ford,GM enthusiast's (and other makes)? Real makers worried about impact to their business model? Oil companies? People who hate 2F1R preferring 1F2R? (yes I have found many in the past). People who are just cynical? Those worried they were duped? How about we throw other possible political aspects on top of that.
But ElioM had the potential to rev-up the US economy to the tune of several trillion(intentional exaggeration) over a dozen years, IF it had become very successful. So could the Russians or Chinese be involved? Iran, North Korea?
Given how the internet gives all individuals power to have a say, and the awareness that it's easy to find at least a few people easily duped, I can easily see that individuals (independent contractors) might exist that want to troll on behalf of the sources I noted above. And one or two could easily be foreign. Just tossing in a controversy easily distracts from the current subject, and puts doubt on the table.
Frankly, right now the big tech is into this, making A.I. that can run robot trolls (and marketers) that seem human to press forward any agenda (or product) you want. In any language you want. Sounds far fetched? But I'm a programmer, and I can say with authority, they are at least researching and testing that now. (who? Institutions of all kinds) They will also toss in common imperfections, since that is how humans actually are. It has already been documented that humans agents have been doing this since Obama was in office.
Are there any robot trolls operating right now? Yes, likely in test mode. You can consider such things to ALWAYS be in test mode. Remember MAX-Headroom(1985)? The idea, has been in serious consideration a long, long time. The prime test result of interest? What is the minimum troll input you need to cause a given level of affect? What affects are possible? What trolling dialog methods work best?
You know trolling has two meanings? To troll for fish (or anything else for any use), and a troll under the bridge, looking to damage the innocent.
So now and in the future, you have the same necessary dual skills as before; Think for yourself, Do your own research.
And you can expect if things seem more successful, they may return. But by success, I mean appears to be of notable consequence.JEBar said:
with Elio, as time moved on most every thing became heated issue .... size and placement of the bottle holding the windshield washer fluid was such an issue .... you know what they say about opinions, well here's one ---- as frustration grew with missed deadlines, Elio chose to answer them with silence .... some trolls jumped in so they could create controversy and the atmosphere got more and more toxic .... they did a good job stirring up and creating problems about most any point ....
At the moment, this (Mark Bex) project looks like just some small custom car project. And positioned in a area (2F1R commuter car start-up) that appears to be failed(yet again).
But those failures (up to now) by Elio and others are a good guide on how to go forward if medium to large production comes back onto the table. I think it is good to not talk about that now, to keep it stealthy, but also because it is not in the moment of focus.
I became suspicious of the trolls at the time, and kept an note of what they seemed to be up to. And it didn't make sense from the point of view they claimed to represent. And some use of language was not quite right. Admittedly my own language skills in writing don't fit the norm, but my flaw is to fit too much thought and complexity in. (just like now)
So at my most basic conclusion, I feel, they had an unspoken agenda. So who can have that? Chev,Ford,GM enthusiast's (and other makes)? Real makers worried about impact to their business model? Oil companies? People who hate 2F1R preferring 1F2R? (yes I have found many in the past). People who are just cynical? Those worried they were duped? How about we throw other possible political aspects on top of that.
But ElioM had the potential to rev-up the US economy to the tune of several trillion(intentional exaggeration) over a dozen years, IF it had become very successful. So could the Russians or Chinese be involved? Iran, North Korea?
Given how the internet gives all individuals power to have a say, and the awareness that it's easy to find at least a few people easily duped, I can easily see that individuals (independent contractors) might exist that want to troll on behalf of the sources I noted above. And one or two could easily be foreign. Just tossing in a controversy easily distracts from the current subject, and puts doubt on the table.
Frankly, right now the big tech is into this, making A.I. that can run robot trolls (and marketers) that seem human to press forward any agenda (or product) you want. In any language you want. Sounds far fetched? But I'm a programmer, and I can say with authority, they are at least researching and testing that now. (who? Institutions of all kinds) They will also toss in common imperfections, since that is how humans actually are. It has already been documented that humans agents have been doing this since Obama was in office.
Are there any robot trolls operating right now? Yes, likely in test mode. You can consider such things to ALWAYS be in test mode. Remember MAX-Headroom(1985)? The idea, has been in serious consideration a long, long time. The prime test result of interest? What is the minimum troll input you need to cause a given level of affect? What affects are possible? What trolling dialog methods work best?
You know trolling has two meanings? To troll for fish (or anything else for any use), and a troll under the bridge, looking to damage the innocent.
So now and in the future, you have the same necessary dual skills as before; Think for yourself, Do your own research.