What Are The 2018 Chevy's Going To Made Out Of?

[RSchneider]

The one Ford dealer here had that for a few years but dropped it. I think it makes sense because the other Ford dealers are into trucks but not as much as this one. Plus, they do not just the fleet trucks but even the hydrogen and electric powered trucks/vans/people movers.

 

[gottemfeathers]

I wonder how local that phenomenon is. They sell as many as they can get around these parts... enough so that my truck's resale value is actually pretty darn good!

I'm sure it's a very local phenomena.

 

[Ty]

Here they do, the Dodge/Chrysler dealer sells the cars, and two blocks away is the Dodge Pickup Center, they separate the two so that the people that are looking for trucks, find a dealer that sells, just Dodge (Ram) trucks; the one thing about this dealer is that they create as many stores as they can, they have a lot of different brands, but they're all Hannah Dealerships, his buddy, Alan Webb has the Chevy Dealership, and Chevy Trucks, plus Mazda, and a few others that Hannah doesn't, so these two guys pretty much have all the brands covered.

You're going to see Chrysler stop selling cars under that brand eventually. That's probably the real reason they shifted all truck sales under the umbrella of "Ram".

 

[Ty]

You left out a part, if you combine them, they are much higher then Ford. Chevy alone comes close, but when you add in the GMC (they are just HD Chevy's) the number is almost double what Ford sells.
It's called "creative advertising" not "Honest Advertising".

Almost double.
In 2016, Chevrolet sold 942,730 which includes Silverado, Sierra, Colorado, and Canyon. Ford sold 820,799. That is 87% of what Chevy sold.
So, Chevy outsold Ford. I'll cede that point, for sure.

Chevy sold 0.37% more trucks in 2016 than in 2015, an increase of 3,532 trucks.
Ford sold 5.18% more trucks in 2016 than in 2015, an increase of 40,445 trucks.

If you don't count the two little trucks that Chevy sells, Ford beats them. When the Ranger starts coming off the line, Chevy will lose SOME of those 146,174 Colorado/Canyon sales.

Now, ford DOES outsell Chevy in the Full-size truck market. But, Chevy outsells Ford overall. But, Chevy's numbers are on the decline in the Full-size truck market while Ford's are on the rise. Slice this any way you want but NOTHING points to Chevy outselling Ford 2 to 1.

Rank
Best-Selling Truck



2016 2015 change
#1 Ford F-Series 820,799 780,354 5.2%
#2 Chevrolet Silverado 574,876 600,544 -4.3%
#3 Ram P/U 489,418 450,122 8.7%
#4 GMC Sierra 221,680 224,139 -1.1%
#5 Toyota Tacoma 191,631 179,562 6.7%
#6 Toyota Tundra 115,489 118,880 -2.9%
#7 Chevrolet Colorado 108,725 84,430 28.8%
#8 Nissan Frontier 86,926 62,817 38.4%
#9 GMC Canyon 37,449 30,077 24.5%
#10 Honda Ridgeline 23,667 520 4451%
#11 Nissan Titan 21,880 12,140 80.2%
Chevrolet Avalanche — 8 -100%
Cadillac Escalade EXT — 2 -100%

Small/Midsize Pickups 448,398 357,406 25.5%
Full-Size Pickups 2,244,142 2,186,179 2.7%
Total 2,692,540 2,543,595 5.9%

 

[airforceguy6]

Almost double.
In 2016, Chevrolet sold 942,730 which includes Silverado, Sierra, Colorado, and Canyon. Ford sold 820,799. That is 87% of what Chevy sold.
So, Chevy outsold Ford. I'll cede that point, for sure.

Chevy sold 0.37% more trucks in 2016 than in 2015, an increase of 3,532 trucks.
Ford sold 5.18% more trucks in 2016 than in 2015, an increase of 40,445 trucks.

If you don't count the two little trucks that Chevy sells, Ford beats them. When the Ranger starts coming off the line, Chevy will lose SOME of those 146,174 Colorado/Canyon sales.

Now, ford DOES outsell Chevy in the Full-size truck market. But, Chevy outsells Ford overall. But, Chevy's numbers are on the decline in the Full-size truck market while Ford's are on the rise. Slice this any way you want but NOTHING points to Chevy outselling Ford 2 to 1.

Rank
Best-Selling Truck



2016 2015 change
#1 Ford F-Series 820,799 780,354 5.2%
#2 Chevrolet Silverado 574,876 600,544 -4.3%
#3 Ram P/U 489,418 450,122 8.7%
#4 GMC Sierra 221,680 224,139 -1.1%
#5 Toyota Tacoma 191,631 179,562 6.7%
#6 Toyota Tundra 115,489 118,880 -2.9%
#7 Chevrolet Colorado 108,725 84,430 28.8%
#8 Nissan Frontier 86,926 62,817 38.4%
#9 GMC Canyon 37,449 30,077 24.5%
#10 Honda Ridgeline 23,667 520 4451%
#11 Nissan Titan 21,880 12,140 80.2%
Chevrolet Avalanche — 8 -100%
Cadillac Escalade EXT — 2 -100%

Small/Midsize Pickups 448,398 357,406 25.5%
Full-Size Pickups 2,244,142 2,186,179 2.7%
Total 2,692,540 2,543,595 5.9%

Ty, got the numbers from what looks like the same source as you. And basically, when it comes down to just "full sized" trucks (F Series/Silverados/Sierras), for the past 4 years, it either has been Ford/Chevy or close in total sales. Like you said, this doesnt include midsize truck sales (Colorado/Canyon/Ranger...eventually) which GM does beat out Ford in total sales. It will be interesting when Ford finally releases the Ranger and how the market reacts. I've seen these trucks overseas (no idea why Ford decided to stop the sales in the US but continue overseas), and they are pretty impressive.

Numbers (total full size sales):
2016
Ford: 820,799*
GM: 796,556
2015
Ford: 780,354
GM: 824,683*
2014
Ford: 753,851*
GM: 741,588
2013
Ford: 763,402*
GM: 664,803

 

[Coss]

So much for the Ford commercials, out selling all other trucks 10 years running .... NOT!!

 

[NSTG8R]

Here's a little tidbit that everybody seems to be forgetting when it comes to building cars out of CF versus aluminum and steel. CF can not be recycled [presently]. Aluminum and steel can be recycled over and over indefinitely, and relatively cheaply compared to the initial manufacturing process [particularly aluminum]. So when your 2020 Chevy "Whatever-the-Heck" sedan wears out, or goes out of style, what kind of environmental impact will we be seeing scrapping them? The CF itself isn't toxic to handle, but don't breath the fibers [flock]. It's the resins used to bind the fibers that's the problem. We use epoxy resin only [prepreg unless it's a repair]. The fumes are toxic when curing, the dust is toxic when grinding/sanding, and WATCH OUT if the stuff catches on fire! If CF is going to be used on an industry as prone to scrap as the automotive industry, they're going to have to come up with some kind of resin that could either be dissolved or separated from the fibers using heat that won't kill us or the environment in the process.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE fan of all things CF. Amazing properties, and the shape of the parts you can make out of the stuff is limited only by your imagination. Making a custom CF hood for my Elio shortly after I get mine while the paint job is pristine for making a mold, and other body ground effect parts as time allows. Can't wait to get my hands on it!

Ooops! Did I get us back on topic [more or less]?

PS - An after thought. How about a resin that is extremely susceptible to UV light. You'd need a good UV resistant topcoat [paint/clearcoat/wrap], but if you could completely degrade the resin just using sunlight or other artificial means, maybe the CF fibers could be reclaimed...just a thought.

 

[Coss]

Here's a little tidbit that everybody seems to be forgetting when it comes to building cars out of CF versus aluminum and steel. CF can not be recycled [presently]. Aluminum and steel can be recycled over and over indefinitely, and relatively cheaply compared to the initial manufacturing process [particularly aluminum]. So when your 2020 Chevy "Whatever-the-Heck" sedan wears out, or goes out of style, what kind of environmental impact will we be seeing scrapping them? The CF itself isn't toxic to handle, but don't breath the fibers [flock]. It's the resins used to bind the fibers that's the problem. We use epoxy resin only [prepreg unless it's a repair]. The fumes are toxic when curing, the dust is toxic when grinding/sanding, and WATCH OUT if the stuff catches on fire! If CF is going to be used on an industry as prone to scrap as the automotive industry, they're going to have to come up with some kind of resin that could either be dissolved or separated from the fibers using heat that won't kill us or the environment in the process.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE fan of all things CF. Amazing properties, and the shape of the parts you can make out of the stuff is limited only by your imagination. Making a custom CF hood for my Elio shortly after I get mine while the paint job is pristine for making a mold, and other body ground effect parts as time allows. Can't wait to get my hands on it!

Ooops! Did I get us back on topic [more or less]?

PS - An after thought. How about a resin that is extremely susceptible to UV light. You'd need a good UV resistant topcoat [paint/clearcoat/wrap], but if you could completely degrade the resin just using sunlight or other artificial means, maybe the CF fibers could be reclaimed...just a thought.

Only the bed is going to be CF. The rest of it is different; Ford going to all Aluminum can't be body worked after it gets dented, big difference for body shops, they're going to be remove and replace, no more pulling a panel out, that was the point.
And this is all to meet the café standards.

 

[NSTG8R]

Only the bed is going to be CF. The rest of it is different; Ford going to all Aluminum can't be body worked after it gets dented, big difference for body shops, they're going to be remove and replace, no more pulling a panel out, that was the point.
And this is all to meet the café standards.

The bed is the last place you'd want CF. Impact = delamination. Maybe Kevlar since it's impact and abrasion resistant [think kayak hull]. The original A/C Cobra's are all aluminum, and aluminum body panels can be repaired no problem if you know how to work with aluminum. Not sure what you mean there.

 

[Coss]

How many people use a pick as a pickup was intended? They are people haulers now more often then work trucks.
And that goes for most (all) pickups, they are not used like they were. Look at the interiors, most of them now are as dressed the same as cars.
Leather seats, 17 way adjustable, power everything, stereo's with 16 speakers and more power then you can find in most cars, these aren't work trucks any more, they're large luxury cars, with real motors. How many pickups haul anything but people any more?