Where Did 84 Mpg Come From?

[Ty]

Sorry I went off like that, I see a propensity on these threads for people to attack if they like what is posted.
Ryan there is your documentation you asked for.

It's alright. No harm. It is hard to convey tone in forums.

 

[jtmarten]

At one point many years ago someone had invented a carburetor believed to be capable on 100 mpg. The government bought the rights to it and it was never seen again. And this was in the day of the V8, this was shot down by those in power who made money on oil. So I guess anything is possible.

The 100mpg carb is complete bs.
http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp
Do a google search. So many 100mpg/200mpg carbs, so many debunkings.
However, if there were such a carb, it would be in the best interest of the gub'ment to snatch it up. After all, the damn gub'ment makes $0.15 profit per gallon of gas sold.

 

[Joshua Caldwell]

Here's a link to the patent the discussion is about http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...50&s1=4177779.PN.&OS=PN/4177779&RS=PN/4177779

 

[PhilGoings]

The 100mpg carb is complete bs.
http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp
Do a google search. So many 100mpg/200mpg carbs, so many debunkings.
However, if there were such a carb, it would be in the best interest of the gub'ment to snatch it up. After all, the damn gub'ment makes $0.15 profit per gallon of gas sold.

Carburetor that get 100 mpg, patented 41 years ago should have an expired patent by now?


Of course BIG OIL bought the patent and shelved it so oil dependency would continue.

Now 41 years later I am wondering how difficult it is to go back through old patents and sort the junk that should work from the gold that does work?

Can it be done online or must one go to an office and look through cabinets or hire one of the patent office employees to search?

Yes, like anyone else I would like to make some money but more so, I am fed up with BIG OIL!" id="yui_3_9_1_9_1398908969550_556" style="margin-bottom: 10px;">When I was 7 years old I heard some adults talking about the carburetor that was invented that if installed on most any car would get 100 miles to a gallon of gas or there about.

Of course BIG OIL bought the patent and shelved it so oil dependency would continue.

Now 41 years later I am wondering how difficult it is to go back through old patents and sort the junk that should work from the gold that does work?

Can it be done online or must one go to an office and look through cabinets or hire one of the patent office employees to search?

Yes, like anyone else I would like to make some money but more so, I am fed up with BIG OIL!

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• bcnu answered 12 months ago

US patents issued prior to 1995 expired 17 years after issue. Things after that expire 20 years after filing; things pending in 1995 expire 20 years after filing or 17 years after issue, whichever is later.

All US patents are available online at uspto.gov. Recent patents can be searched by keyword or class or inventor or owner. Earlier patents can be displayed only by patent number.

google.com/patents has a somewhat better search engine and includes many (if not all) older patents. There are many other patent-searching tools online or available through a searching service.

BTW: There are also "patent repositories" ("Patent and Trademark Resource Centers") scattered around the country, in which copies of every US patent and US registered trademark can be found in printed form. They are arranged in "shoes", not cabinets, sorted by class and subclass, and by date. Good luck with that. There are hundreds of thousands of patents related to internal-combustion engines.
Source:
http://www.uspto.gov/products/library/pt...

 

[Joshua Caldwell]

Here's a link to the patent the discussion is about http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4177779.PN.&OS=PN/4177779&RS=PN/4177779

Here's a snippit of an article on the fate of that invention.

Many people assume that the Ogle fuel system was "bought up and buried", but FARM SHOW learned that a Seattle firm -- Advanced Fuel Systems, Inc. -- bought the manufacturing rights. Although company spokesmen say they had high hopes when they bought it from Ogle, they now concede that the carburetor won't work.

"It'll burn off the higher fraction in the oil and get phenomenal mileage but what's left in the vaporization chamber turns into thick black oil. You can run mileage tests and impress lots of people but, as a day to day fuel system, it's just not feasible," says Advanced Fuel Systems engineer Warren Brengman

- See more at: http://www.farmshow.com/view_articles.php?a_id=822#sthash.VrY97vOR.dpuf

In searching I found many similar patents that worked in very similar ways, and I expect had the same drawback which is why they're not standard equipment.

In that article from 1981 they described another invention for increasing MPG by 50% - which has become standard - the fuel injection system.

 

[Ty]

It would be cool if some time in the last 40 years, someone else figured it out... like Samsung followed Apple... patents don't stop innovation. We are a country full of innovators (except maybe those guys that wear their pants with the crotch at their knees.... how do they even walk in those?).

 

[Joshua Caldwell]

It would be cool if some time in the last 40 years, someone else figured it out... like Samsung followed Apple... patents don't stop innovation. We are a country full of innovators (except maybe those guys that wear their pants with the crotch at their knees.... how do they even walk in those?).

Ty, according to an article, there are about 6,500 patents for extremely similar inventions about this, and for good reason - they do work. However see the drawback that Advanced Fuel Systems mentioned. Could there be a workaround? Yes, and the solution is obvious, the drawback to the solution is that you would then basically be driving around a bomb.

 

[Ty]

Ty, according to an article, there are about 6,500 patents for extremely similar inventions about this, and for good reason - they do work. However see the drawback that Advanced Fuel Systems mentioned. Could there be a workaround? Yes, and the solution is obvious, the drawback to the solution is that you would then basically be driving around a bomb.

I figured with every auto manufacturer AND the government trying to improve fuel economy that any real advance would be jumped on... the auto manufacturers sure seem to copy innovation regardless of patents.

Hey, related question.... the money that the government uses from fuel taxes is used in part to maintain our roads, right? What happens when corporate average fuel economy goes up a bunch? Either they get by on lower taxes or they raise the tax per gallon which isn't fair... after all, those electric cars use the roads too. I'm thinking a road use tax will supplement gas tax... added when you register your car and based on mileage maybe. Just some thoughts.

 

[Joshua Caldwell]

I'm thinking a road use tax will supplement gas tax... added when you register your car and based on mileage maybe. Just some thoughts.

Given that tires are designed for certain amounts of mileage and use that is heavier than intended would result in more frequent tire replacements - a tire tax should cover that and not require your giving the government your actual mileage information.

 

[Ty]

Given that tires are designed for certain amounts of mileage and use that is heavier than intended would result in more frequent tire replacements - a tire tax should cover that and not require your giving the government your actual mileage information.

Good point. The revenue will have to come from somewhere, that's for sure.