A Message To The Elio Team

[Craig]

Perhaps only that I was told that. Having seen the space that this must fit into, those pictured cannot possibly be that high.

You don't think the very center of both tach and speedo could be a digital read out?

 

[Craig]

This is in my new Sonic, under 12 in across, very easy to read.

 

[H2odog]

You don't think the very center of both tach and speedo could be a digital read out?

Oh I most certainly think that they COULD be, but have not gotten any indication that it might be so. That might well be the solution to the problem though!

 

[KN16]

The Elgin dash sucks in my opinion. There, I said it. Now, where's that poll?

Nothing sucks it just pressure differentiates.

Now that we know the engine management will be OBDII anyone who want's to customize their dash should nave no problems.

 

[Lil4X]

Elgin dash is a truly miserable solution. Ugly and unreadable. Could we consider a glass cockpit? It doesn't even have to be configurable.

I spent a number of years in product development for a major oilfield machinery company, and recognize the difficulties associated with bringing a new product - even a new technology to market. Starting with a clean sheet of paper is always a nice engineering exercise, but is impractical because there are simply too many unknowns - you end up playing an extended version of wak-a-mole just trying to keep up with all of the little glitches. Elio has made a good decision to develop a product with as many COTS assemblies as possible that will not only hold down costs, but shrink development time. To that end, I'm concerned with the large number of people on Facebook and a handful of other sites that want their Elio NOW. I can understand their impatience, but having been on the manufacturer's side of the issue, you don't want to roll out your first production models with serious bugs that weren't caught in the prototype and first production run. That's embarrassing . . . and expensive. One of my mentors in that business taught me two things: Avoid that "clean sheet of paper design", and "you never want to own Serial #1 of anything". It was my task to market the products, represent the customer at engineering meetings, and to sell a revolutionary device for drilling oil wells that cost just south of $1 Million. Try selling something that doesn't exist at that kind of price, and you take on a lot of customer responsibility. The product is now a world standard and there are now several competitors that have cropped up in the years since, thanks to its success. For anyone who is upset with the receding delivery date for first commercial article, I recommend patience. It will be rewarded.

 

[H2odog]

Elgin dash is a truly miserable solution. Ugly and unreadable. Could we consider a glass cockpit? It doesn't even have to be configurable.

I spent a number of years in product development for a major oilfield machinery company, and recognize the difficulties associated with bringing a new product - even a new technology to market. Starting with a clean sheet of paper is always a nice engineering exercise, but is impractical because there are simply too many unknowns - you end up playing an extended version of wak-a-mole just trying to keep up with all of the little glitches. Elio has made a good decision to develop a product with as many COTS assemblies as possible that will not only hold down costs, but shrink development time. To that end, I'm concerned with the large number of people on Facebook and a handful of other sites that want their Elio NOW. I can understand their impatience, but having been on the manufacturer's side of the issue, you don't want to roll out your first production models with serious bugs that weren't caught in the prototype and first production run. That's embarrassing . . . and expensive. One of my mentors in that business taught me two things: Avoid that "clean sheet of paper design", and "you never want to own Serial #1 of anything". It was my task to market the products, represent the customer at engineering meetings, and to sell a revolutionary device for drilling oil wells that cost just south of $1 Million. Try selling something that doesn't exist at that kind of price, and you take on a lot of customer responsibility. The product is now a world standard and there are now several competitors that have cropped up in the years since, thanks to its success. For anyone who is upset with the receding delivery date for first commercial article, I recommend patience. It will be rewarded.

Welcome aboard and thanks for your insight. While I have never been associated with a "product". As a software developer I can appreciate the truth in what you are stating. In my case it is my users rather than general public or niche market segment, but the responsibility remains with the developer.

 

[Zipper]

Nothing sucks it just pressure differentiates.

Now that we know the engine management will be OBDII anyone who want's to customize their dash should nave no problems.

Yeah, with OBDII, if there's not a reasonably priced optional instrument cluster that I like. I'll take the Elgin but mount a computer tablet in front of it and feed everything through there. My very own glass cockpit; easily configurable to more efficiently provide much more information.

 

[Jim H]

Elgin dash is a truly miserable solution. Ugly and unreadable. Could we consider a glass cockpit? It doesn't even have to be configurable.

I spent a number of years in product development for a major oilfield machinery company, and recognize the difficulties associated with bringing a new product - even a new technology to market. Starting with a clean sheet of paper is always a nice engineering exercise, but is impractical because there are simply too many unknowns - you end up playing an extended version of wak-a-mole just trying to keep up with all of the little glitches. Elio has made a good decision to develop a product with as many COTS assemblies as possible that will not only hold down costs, but shrink development time. To that end, I'm concerned with the large number of people on Facebook and a handful of other sites that want their Elio NOW. I can understand their impatience, but having been on the manufacturer's side of the issue, you don't want to roll out your first production models with serious bugs that weren't caught in the prototype and first production run. That's embarrassing . . . and expensive. One of my mentors in that business taught me two things: Avoid that "clean sheet of paper design", and "you never want to own Serial #1 of anything". It was my task to market the products, represent the customer at engineering meetings, and to sell a revolutionary device for drilling oil wells that cost just south of $1 Million. Try selling something that doesn't exist at that kind of price, and you take on a lot of customer responsibility. The product is now a world standard and there are now several competitors that have cropped up in the years since, thanks to its success. For anyone who is upset with the receding delivery date for first commercial article, I recommend patience. It will be rewarded.

Lil4x, welcome to the Elio family and to the forum. It has great information, facts, fiction, fantasies, and wonderful helpful people. It appears you have a lot to offer and we look forward to your comments. You will find hours of entertainment here and we hope you enjoy the Elio experience

 

[Ty]

Yeah, with OBDII, if there's not a reasonably priced optional instrument cluster that I like. I'll take the Elgin but mount a computer tablet in front of it and feed everything through there. My very own glass cockpit; easily configurable to more efficiently provide much more information.

About $12 for an ELM327 and the App "Torque" which is free will give anyone a simple dash plus have the capability to diagnose obdii issues and read trouble faults and clear them. Shoot, with the cell phone holder stereo thing from Continental, there's an alternate dash right there.
That all digital Elgin dash doesn't do it for me at all as I prefer analog gauges... or digital gauges made to look analog.

 

[H2odog]

About $12 for an ELM327 and the App "Torque" which is free will give anyone a simple dash plus have the capability to diagnose obdii issues and read trouble faults and clear them. Shoot, with the cell phone holder stereo thing from Continental, there's an alternate dash right there.
That all digital Elgin dash doesn't do it for me at all as I prefer analog gauges... or digital gauges made to look analog.

Yes even digital gauges made to look analog would work well as the inherent contrast is there.