Well John, it may well be the case here with EM- expect your very first ELIO 10 years from now, if not more! In the FIRST EVER AUTO SHOW PRESS EVENT IN NYC, dated April 7, 2015- PE said "He believes we have a shot at going as high as 250,000 reservations BEFORE ELIO STARTS PRODUCTION". It took about what, 2 years starting 2013 to reach 40,000 reservations? We all love PE but he's one hell of an optimist! Ok, let's just say you're willing to wait that long, please tell me you don't really think that the $6,800 base price will still be relevant, do you? Also, it mentioned in that report that "while the Department said it hoped to re launch the program (ATVM), it hinted the loan would go ONLY TO AUTO INDUSTRY SUPPLIERS, not the automakers itself". So EM maybe waiting for nothing here regarding the ATVM loan although PE said that it's still on top of their list of funding resource. All I know is our current very high mileage, very old cars may not last that long to wait for ELIO as their replacement!