Is This Ruling Going To Effect Elio Since They Are Following The Telsa Sales Model.

[John Painter]

Like I said, there's no there there. Much ado about nothing. As Elio points out, the proposed rulemaking has been dormant since 2014, and they have been tracking it since 2013. And as I pointed out earlier, NHTSA has been considering this change for four decades without ever finalizing it (the motorcycle definition has been in place without change since 1966).

However with EM stirring the pot at state and federal levels, it may be an opportune time for some movement.

 

[Coss]

My question is why did we have members that joined in mid to late 2014; that haven't been active suddenly dump that information here to stir all of us up?

 

[JEBar]

How about this



Elio Motors’ Focus on Safety
by The Elio Team

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Happy Friday Elio friends and family! Have you recovered from all the holiday cheer and family and friends? We hope your holiday was everything that you had hoped for and more.

January is always a great point for a “fresh start” on many items that we do or know we should be doing more of, or maybe less? We try diets, exercise, renewed commitment to hobbies and activities and many other things to help us get better in all ways. Elio Motors goes through this process too, informally, to see what we need to do to continuously communicate our vision and mission better as well as help our fans both new and long-time learn more about us as we drive toward production.

One area that we want to discuss this week is safety. There are some misleading items that have surfaced recently that mostly stem from incorrect interpretation of old news. We have been aware of RIN: 2127-AL15 proposed rule since February of 2013 when it was first published. Our Governmental Affairs team is on it and continues to watch these and other rules/laws carefully. The GA team feels this particular rule does not impact Elio because of the side by side seating and the fact that the rule has been inactive since 2014. We continue to work closely with individual states and at the federal level to further define what is in the best interest of the consumer and is appropriate for the consumer. We actively support Federal Legislation called “The Autocycle Safety Act” which creates a new category called autocycles which includes appropriate safety equipment.

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The real message is that Elio Motors is committed to the safety of our vehicle. Safety is one of our four main tenets (along with the up to 84 mpg highway and targeted base selling price of $6,800 and made in the USA) so it is a key driver in each or our decisions.

Regardless of how the vehicle is classified, our goal is to build a safe vehicle that we would be comfortable driving and having any of our family members drive.

The Elio Safety Management System is at the core of our safety commitment. The Elio Safety Management System consists of: Three air bags (steering wheel and two side curtain), reinforced steel roll cage, anti-lock brakes, traction control and seat belts (including the LATCH system in the back seat). We have run computer simulations using the same programs that most auto manufacturers use and the Elio returns fantastic results. We will continue testing and refining the safety profile with the upcoming E-series vehicles. We have a large slate of tests to perform, live tests, to prove out the results of the simulations. I know what you are thinking, you are building vehicles just to crash them??? Yes, it is hard for us too, but in order to make sure the production Elio is safe we have to do this now, no matter how painful it will be to watch.

You can see that safety is an important part of Elio Motors and will continue to be as we move toward production and beyond.

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Elio Preview Tour -
January 16-24, Detroit, Michigan; North American International Auto Show, show hours, P5 show

Thanks for your support.


Seems like word spreads pretty fast ........

actually, this is a really good example ( of which there have been way too many ) where we have members who solidly support EM see some tidbit in the press and panic ... we also have a few alarmist that seek any scrap of info on which to build a theory of doom and gloom .... I seriously doubt anything huge that could impact EM will come to them as a surprise .... during times when info releases are scarce, its easier to get worked up over next to nothing or even less .... oh well, wonder what the next one will be .. ???

 

[floydv]

actually, this is a really good example ( of which there have been way too many ) where we have members who solidly support EM see some tidbit in the press and panic ... we also have a few alarmist that seek any scrap of info on which to build a theory of doom and gloom .... I seriously doubt anything huge that could impact EM will come to them as a surprise .... during times when info releases are scarce, its easier to get worked up over next to nothing or even less .... oh well, wonder what the next one will be .. ???

Well, at least Elio will be well positioned in the event there's a worldwide shortage of rubber.

 

[floydv]

However with EM stirring the pot at state and federal levels, it may be an opportune time for some movement.

I hope the Elio folks are successful in somehow getting federal and state legislation that defines autocycle as an enclosed motorcycle that's subject to motorcycle safety requirements (but exempt from certain ones such as foot pegs and wearing helmets) while still qualifying for CAFE credit generation because it displaces primarily passenger car VMT rather than non-passenger VMT. Or something like that. Gonna be tricky threading that needle.

 

[Elio Amazed]

My question is why did we have members that joined in mid to late 2014; that haven't been active suddenly dump that information here to stir all of us up?

Because it keeps us thinking.

 

[Grumpy Cat]

My question is why did we have members that joined in mid to late 2014; that haven't been active suddenly dump that information here to stir all of us up?

Because they don't use the search function?

 

[Ian442]

Things like this come and go. FB and other "social media" outlets have unleashed something moronic upon us...

Manufactured fear and outrage.

I also see lots of what I call "white people fear"

And yes i am as white as you can get (society looks down on fat shirtless guys )

 

[Chris F]

It could be a big deal if EM is not on top of it. Though I half suspect they're behind it.

In the blog, Elio says they have been on top of this since the initial proposal.

 

[floydv]

This is the reply I got from DOT;

Hello,

Thanks for contacting the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration concerning proposed rulemaking about the classification of certain three-wheeled vehicles under our safety regulations.

In accordance with standard federal rulemaking procedures, we are not able to discuss details of proposed rules until we have published a public notice in the Federal Register. As such, the information you found posted on the US DOT website is all that is available publicly at the present time.

I hope this is helpful.


Michael Pyne
U.S. Department of Transportation/NHTSA
1200 New Jersey Ave SE, Rm W43-457
Washington DC 20590
(202) 366-4171
mike.pyne@dot.gov


personally I think it bodes well for Elio Motors as there's ample opportunity though public comment (and lobby, and Congressional comment) for EM to guide the language where it would benefit them most.

For those who aren't familiar with tracking notices of proposed rulemakings (NPRM), it's fairly easy to set yourself up to receive email or RSS notifications of when NHTSA publishes a NPRM that could affect Elio. Just go to the Office of the Federal Register website (https://www.federalregister.gov/), set up an account, then do an appropriate search in the search box. I used "NHTSA three-wheel motorcycle definition" (without quotes), but you can customize it as you like. Then click the RSS/envelope icon to specify how you want to be notified. And that's it. From that point, any time NHTSA proposes to change its definition for motorcycles and it involves three wheeled vehicles, you'll find out about it on the day the notice is published. You'll then have (I believe) 90 days to comment before the proposed rule change goes into effect.

We should coordinate comments as a group to maximize the effect.