Some Engine Info From The Facebook Page For Elio.

[Ty]

As long a we are the subject of making the engine last, what about any of you getting one of those 100,000+ engine transmission warranties. It is a brand new engine, engineered by IAV, but made in the elio facility. The elio comes with a 3year. 36,000 mile warranty right? Would you spend $1000, to $1500 for an extended warranty?

Not for what should be a fairly cheap motor... My diesel though runs upwards of $14,000 for the motor assembly and I know that diesels sometimes have issues (Thanks, NAVSTAR). But, the Elio will be so simple to work on that I can't picture an actual engine problem that would cost much to repair unless the block just totally bites it.

 

[Joshua Caldwell]

While I and my parents have had our share of engine and transmission problems, we've never experienced them at under 100k miles.

 

[Paladin]

Just to reiterate what most of you guys are saying, Elio is out of their mind stating 3000 mile oil changes. Car manufacturers haven't done that for many years. It's the American mindset. In Europe they use fossil oils for over 10,000 miles and synthetics 15,000-20,000 miles. In the US we have always had a 3000 mile mindset (I remember when it was 2000) because our cars used to burn a lot of oil and had a lot of blow-by. Heck, I've had cars that burned so much oil that I was actually changing it by all the new oil I was adding! LOL Today even motorcycles don't recommend that short of oil change intervals. I can't imagine why Elio would even consider using fossil oils in a new engine. Car manufactures switched to synthetic in most (maybe all?) cars and trucks years ago. Had they used multiple valves per cylinder they would also have had more power and better economy. I think they missed boat on the design. Also, juggling the horsepower to get the 84 mpg irritates me. I'm not nearly as interested in 84 mpg (I don't even think that figure is possible) as I am in having enough HP to make it fun to drive at highway speeds. On top of that, keep in mind the 84 mpg is purely hypothetical. They have never actually achieved that with any of the engines but they HOPE their new engine will get that much. Up to now they have been running suzuki Geo engines and I have owned many of those. I had one 2-seat convertible that averaged 52 mpg on a trip from WI to CA and back. But 84 mpg is a stretch even in an Elio. I'm betting on less than 70mpg at real highway speeds (70 mph) with wind and hills, not some laboratory mpg derived at 50 mph on a flat track with no wind. And 70 or less MPG will still make me happy. It's their 49 mpg around town I'm not happy with because in the real world it might be less. Still better than my motorcycle, but not by much. Sorry if this sounds negative (go ahead with the flames, I have my flame-proof suit on), and I'm 758 in the waiting line, but there are things I would have done differently, as I'm sure every buyer out there would. However, I think it's going to be so much fun that I'll end up selling my Kawasaki Vulcan Nomad. The only thing that would have made it better is if the body leaned in the corners like Carver trikes (now defunct) so it would be more like being in an airplane cockpit and banking in the corners.

 

[zelio]

Just to reiterate what most of you guys are saying, Elio is out of their mind stating 3000 mile oil changes. Car manufacturers haven't done that for many years. It's the American mindset. In Europe they use fossil oils for over 10,000 miles and synthetics 15,000-20,000 miles. In the US we have always had a 3000 mile mindset (I remember when it was 2000) because our cars used to burn a lot of oil and had a lot of blow-by. Heck, I've had cars that burned so much oil that I was actually changing it by all the new oil I was adding! LOL Today even motorcycles don't recommend that short of oil change intervals. I can't imagine why Elio would even consider using fossil oils in a new engine. Car manufactures switched to synthetic in most (maybe all?) cars and trucks years ago. Had they used multiple valves per cylinder they would also have had more power and better economy. I think they missed boat on the design. Also, juggling the horsepower to get the 84 mpg irritates me. I'm not nearly as interested in 84 mpg (I don't even think that figure is possible) as I am in having enough HP to make it fun to drive at highway speeds. On top of that, keep in mind the 84 mpg is purely hypothetical. They have never actually achieved that with any of the engines but they HOPE their new engine will get that much. Up to now they have been running suzuki Geo engines and I have owned many of those. I had one 2-seat convertible that averaged 52 mpg on a trip from WI to CA and back. But 84 mpg is a stretch even in an Elio. I'm betting on less than 70mpg at real highway speeds (70 mph) with wind and hills, not some laboratory mpg derived at 50 mph on a flat track with no wind. And 70 or less MPG will still make me happy. It's their 49 mpg around town I'm not happy with because in the real world it might be less. Still better than my motorcycle, but not by much. Sorry if this sounds negative (go ahead with the flames, I have my flame-proof suit on), and I'm 758 in the waiting line, but there are things I would have done differently, as I'm sure every buyer out there would. However, I think it's going to be so much fun that I'll end up selling my Kawasaki Vulcan Nomad. The only thing that would have made it better is if the body leaned in the corners like Carver trikes (now defunct) so it would be more like being in an airplane cockpit and banking in the corners.

Of course you could also buy something from a company that never told you anything until the "big reveal" and then you would simply have to take their word for everything they say. LOL Personally I love the Elio way and am enjoying the adventure. :-) Z

 

[Chris 6800]

I run Amsoil synthetic in everything I own. In both my cars and motorcycles I change oil every 10,000 miles as synthetic oil does not wear out, it does become contaminated with fuel, metallic particles and engine acid. 10,000 miles is a good time to change oil if you are using a good brand of oil such as Ansoil, Mobil 1 or Castrol.

Chris

 

[Kuda]

Just to reiterate............[/QUOTE]

When I spoke to Jerome in Chandler last Sat. he stated that "the P4 was @ 81mpg. That
design/engineering still feel 84mpg is possible with some tweaking but if 81 is it, so be it."
Still not bad for the money, says I. Elio will maximise existing capabilities so long as they
fit the (4) pillar model: Cost,content,safety,economy. Sure compromises will be made, that's
where options come in. Henry Ford said: "You can have any color you want so long as it's
black." I think Elio has come a long way..............

 

[goofyone]

Just to reiterate............

When I spoke to Jerome in Chandler last Sat. he stated that "the P4 was @ 81mpg. That
design/engineering still feel 84mpg is possible with some tweaking but if 81 is it, so be it."
Still not bad for the money, says I. Elio will maximise existing capabilities so long as they
fit the (4) pilar model: Cost,content,safety,economy. Sure compromises will be made, that's
where options come in. Henry Ford said: "You can have any color you want so long as it's
black." I think ELio has cone a long way.............. [/QUOTE]

We do have to keep in mind that the Elio Motors goal was never maximum fuel economy but instead as great fuel economy as possible while also keeping the cost as low as possible. There are many well proven technologies out there which could make this car more fuel efficient but they would likely also cost more which goes against the cost goal. The Elio team is really walking a tightrope and I think they are doing a great job so far.

 

[Neal]

When I spoke to Jerome in Chandler last Sat. he stated that "the P4 was @ 81mpg. That
design/engineering still feel 84mpg is possible with some tweaking but if 81 is it, so be it."
Still not bad for the money, says I. Elio will maximise existing capabilities so long as they
fit the (4) pilar model: Cost,content,safety,economy. Sure compromises will be made, that's
where options come in. Henry Ford said: "You can have any color you want so long as it's
black." I think ELio has cone a long way..............

We do have to keep in mind that the Elio Motors goal was never maximum fuel economy but instead as great fuel economy as possible while also keeping the cost as low as possible. There are many well proven technologies out there which could make this car more fuel efficient but they would likely also cost more which goes against the cost goal. The Elio team is really walking a tightrope and I think they are doing a great job so far.[/QUOTE]

Very true. It's quite the balancing act they are walking!

 

[Cali Chris]

As long a we are the subject of making the engine last, what about any of you getting one of those 100,000+ engine transmission warranties. It is a brand new engine, engineered by IAV, but made in the elio facility. The elio comes with a 3year. 36,000 mile warranty right? Would you spend $1000, to $1500 for an extended warranty?

NEVER!


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Let me elaborate. The only one that really benefits from the purchase of a warranty is the seller of the warranty. Warranties are such a massive profit making scheme for companies. Besides, how much could an engine or transmission possibly cost on a $6,800 dollar vehicle. Probably less than the cost of the warranty. Pretend you bought the warranty and put the money in a savings account every time a warranty is offered and you will never have worry about having the money to repair or replace something again.


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[zelio]

Let me elaborate. The only one that really benefits from the purchase of a warranty is the seller of the warranty. Warranties are such a massive profit making scheme for companies. Besides, how much could an engine or transmission possibly cost on a $6,800 dollar vehicle. Probably less than the cost of the warranty. Pretend you bought the warranty and put the money in a savings account every time a warranty is offered and you will never have worry about having the money to repair or replace something again.


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Jeez, where were you when I bought my Camry in 2000? LOL :-) Z