Dieselio

[KN16]

No, what I listed with the 60 and 65 was me converting them from imperial to US. Their imperial listings were all over 70+ for highway (the numbers I showed). I checked the conversions and the math and it's all accurate. I even said I converted the numbers to US before making that list. Attention to detail my friend.

As Abraham Lincoln once said if i

LOL. Not out of touch. Just not the best example and don't care enough about this crazy line of thought to research further. I'm done. Can't convince people to change their "beliefs" so I won't bother. Have fun with all your conspiracies. Out.

 

[JCar]

I'd be all over it. Not holding my breath though.

Diesel ALWAYS makes more sense.

They do still stink, though. Even "clean" diesels don't smell so good when you're right next to one. Then you have the coal-rollers who treat pollution as a matter of pride. I think that should be a felony if it's caught routinely. Diesel soot is an official carcinogen.

 

[JCar]

I think you may be taking this too personally or reading way too much into my answer. Your straight conversion from UK mpg to US mpg is of course correct. What I added is the rated mpg in Europe is essentially a joke that doesn't reflect real world driving. I frequently have heard reference to this, but now I have looked into it and the answer seems to be clear and simple. There is a reasonable additional conversion that is necessary to use when you see a European mpg rating. Only when the same exact car is sold in both areas can we find this exact discrepancy, so I used the CRZ as the example.

You can disagree all you want, but there are the some same cars for sale in the US and in Europe and they have different ratings when normalized for a conversion. What changed? The test.

All your political opinions may be true, they may not be, I could care less for this discussion. What we do know as a fact, not opinion, is the identical Honda CRZ has different rated/tested L/100km in the US than the UK. And it obvious that if someone drives that car the same way in Europe as the US, the actual consumption will be the same.

I've never been to Europe but I wonder if they waste as much fuel by idling like zombies? Americans seem to think turning off an engine is a major inconvenience if they'll be sitting for less than 5 minutes, or the temperature inside might get slightly uncomfortable. You can blast the heater or A/C right before shut-off and retain the benefit for awhile. Parking in the sun during cold weather and shade in hot weather is another smart thing. The fuel wasted by idling alone must be significant. They have to pass laws to get many truckers to stop idling, as if the diesel fumes alone weren't a deterrent.

 

[wheaters]

I've never been to Europe but I wonder if they waste as much fuel by idling like zombies? Americans seem to think turning off an engine is a major inconvenience if they'll be sitting for less than 5 minutes, or the temperature inside might get slightly uncomfortable. You can blast the heater or A/C right before shut-off and retain the benefit for awhile. Parking in the sun during cold weather and shade in hot weather is another smart thing. The fuel wasted by idling alone must be significant. They have to pass laws to get many truckers to stop idling, as if the diesel fumes alone weren't a deterrent.

In some European countries, such as Germany, it's illegal to sit with your engine idling while waiting at places such as railway crossings. Hence the introduction of stop/start technology on many cars here.

 

[Smitty901]

EPA hates all diesel. it would get better mileage

 

[Rickb]

EPA hates all diesel. it would get better mileage

For some odd reason that statement makes me want to buy and drive a BMW i3.

 

[Rickb]

In some European countries, such as Germany, it's illegal to sit with your engine idling while waiting at places such as railway crossings. Hence the introduction of stop/start technology on many cars here.

Fuel in European countries is to expensive to waste idling.

 

[RUCRAYZE]

don't know of other cars, but my Honda Insight (2011)the engine turns off at a stop with foot kept on brake, I release the brake and the engine starts up, I'd like to say "very cool", but in South fl with 90 d and 90 humidity sitting at a light with no a/c is ...

 

[wheaters]

Fuel in European countries is to expensive to waste idling.

But not as expensive as starter motors.

 

[Ian442]

But what about the Diesel emissions ? All that Blue-Def stuff I see advertised although I don't very much about it and intervals etc on how its supposed to really work.

Educate me please