Ty
Elio Addict
LOL. Well played!As you wish...
View attachment 640
Welcome to Elio Owners! Join today, registration is easy!
You can register using your Google, Facebook, or Twitter account, just click here.LOL. Well played!As you wish...
View attachment 640
I wouldn't say I'm done researching, but for now I think I have found a reasonable source on Wikipedia that will explain the mpg discrepancies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_economy_in_automobiles
And in more basic speak from click an clack: http://www.cartalk.com/content/why-do-european-cars-get-better-mpg-their-us-equivalents
The European cycle to test L/100km (USmpg or whatever units you want to use) is not close to real life testing. That is why the same or similar car in Europe will list a vastly different equivalent mpg. It is also why people complain in Europe that they can't get close to the rated mpg's. Sure people complain here, as people will do, but the data that can be found from voluntary mpg websites that are out there proves that the latest EPA cycle is pretty darn accurate.
So take your 65 mpg highway car in European cycle, with the rule of thumb derate you would get 38 mpg US EPA cycle.
The longer conversion is explained here: That is a UK site that lists your car at 65 mpg (imperial gallon) * .833, which would be 54 mpg (US gallon). Then account for the European test cycle and this is where you don't have a fixed conversion, but based on available info for identical cars, dividing by 1.2 or 1.3 is very conservative and as much as 1.4 is realistic, so you end up with between 38 and 45 mpg (US gallon) EPA fuel economy.
I'd be glad to be shown wrong, so I welcome any criticism.
Sorry, I used the 65 mpg as their combined #, but I erroneously stated highway, that I saw on that website for the egnine combined with the ASG transmission. The math is still the same. 65 combined Imperial mpg with European cycle conservatively becomes 38-45 US mpg using combined EPA cycle. 78 UK highway mpg European cycle becomes 46-54 highway US mpg and on down the line it goes.No, what I listed with the 60 and 65 was me converting them from imperial to US. Their imperial listings were all over 70+ for highway (the numbers I showed). I checked the conversions and the math and it's all accurate. I even said I converted the numbers to US before making that list. Attention to detail my friend.
I wonder how Tesoro managers did.If "Big oil" is such a conspiracy, they are REALLY bad at it... Tesoro's profit margin has ranged from -3.83% to +7.91% over the past 5 years compared to Apple's +28.2% profit margin... Fuel efficient cars being "hidden by big oil" is a crock of crap. There are plenty of very high mileage cars... They don't sell very well so manufactures end up making fuel inefficient cars and trucks that people will actually buy. Flame away.
Sorry, I used the 65 mpg as their combined #, but I erroneously stated highway, that I saw on that website for the egnine combined with the ASG transmission. The math is still the same. 65 combined Imperial mpg with European cycle conservatively becomes 38-45 US mpg using combined EPA cycle. 78 UK highway mpg European cycle becomes 46-54 highway US mpg and on down the line it goes.
A concrete example: A 2011 Honda CRZ is rated 31/37 in US and it's European test equivalent would be 39/57 US mpg all after including the US/Imperial gallon conversion (conversions done by me). The following text is from Wikipedia:
"For example, the 2011 Honda CR-Z with a six-speed manual transmission is rated 6.1/4.4 L/100 km in Europe[23] and 7.6/6.4 L/100 km (31/37 mpg ) in the United States.[24]
The purpose of my post was that I was adding that I found more information about the drastic difference in the testing cycles of EAP vs. European cycle. The EPA cycle is realistic, the European cycle is not, did you see the link that states these are the following items that can be done for the European cycle? Note that these are the major items, which implies there are even more items than those listed, just not as important:
"The major loopholes in the current EU tests allow car manufacturers a number of ‘cheats’ to improve results. Car manufacturers can:
- Disconnect the alternator, thus no energy is used to recharge the battery;
- Use special lubricants that are not used in production cars, in order to reduce friction;
- Turn off all electrical gadgets i.e. Air Con/Radio;
- Adjust brakes or even disconnect them to reduce friction;
- Tape up cracks between body panels and windows to reduce air resistance;
- Remove Wing mirrors."
I absolutely love the ignorance and arrogance of the USA in thinking that only we can be accurate and correct in things of this nature. When most of the world agrees to something that differs from what the USA believes, why is it that we as a society still refuse to accept that as the truth and realize that what we are told here is the real lie?
As for the question of conversion, I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from, but they are wrong. Here is the formula to use and you'll see that it's not even close to the low numbers you keep projecting.
Convert Liters Per 100 Kilometers to Miles Per Gallon (US)
mpg =
100 * lpg
kmpm * lp100km
definitions
mpg=miles per gallon
lp100km=liters per 100 km
lpg=liters per gallon (US) = 3.785411784
kmpm=kilometers per mile = 1.609344
So with that, if we take 100*3.79 (rounded off) to get 379, then take 1.61*3.6 (one of the better highway numbers) to get 5.796, finally dividing that into the 379, we end up with 65.39mpg US.
http://www.calculateme.com/cGasMileage/LitersPer100kmtoMPG.htm
Same math, different site:
http://calculator-converter.com/l_100km_mpg_convert_mpg_to_l_per_100_km.php
And yet a 3rd site just in case:
http://www.unitjuggler.com/convert-fuelconsumption-from-lper100km-to-mpg.html
Feel free to double check the math. But it's accurate and not based on imperial gallons. All 3 sites will show you the same result, and you can verify it's not imperial by going here and getting the imperial conversion (which comes to 78 btw):
http://mpg.webix.co.uk/
Just because we're the USA does not make us the experts or correct in everything. Our government and our corporations are more corrupt than any other developed nation on earth, only being surpassed in corruption by 3rd world developing nations. So excuse me if I don't take what our government or our propaganda (errrr news) medias tells us is true as the real truth.
If "Big oil" is such a conspiracy, they are REALLY bad at it... Tesoro's profit margin has ranged from -3.83% to +7.91% over the past 5 years compared to Apple's +28.2% profit margin... Fuel efficient cars being "hidden by big oil" is a crock of crap. There are plenty of very high mileage cars... They don't sell very well so manufactures end up making fuel inefficient cars and trucks that people will actually buy. Flame away.