"We were told that the shutdowns were to keep from overloading the hospitals". What's so hard to understand? You have a virus on the loose that kills people with no known vaccine, where do you think people will swarm when everybody started to get sick???
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And so forth and blah blah blah... To the best of my knowledge, SG is not a qualified expert but apparently plays one on the internet. Bottom line: The current numbers in the US are about one death for every 3.7 recoveries. And that ratio doesn't seem to be changing very much as things progress. What percentage is that? Contrary to some opinions, I CAN do the math. That's more than 23%. THAT is the true yardstick of the ongoing death rate. Why are we not being honest and measuring things on that scale instead basing it on the number of deaths out of the total number of cases? Because we can't handle that reality. The vast majority of those total cases are still sick and there is absolutely no indication or reason to believe that approximately 23% of them will NOT continue to die without an unforeseen intervention. That's math, that's simple logic, and that's facing the facts. The CDC warned today that children are developing fatal latent complications due to the virus in significant numbers. Believe what you want. Watch and see if the death rate vs recovery rate doesn't stay at 23%. Personally I don't blame people for being in denial. That number is insane and, to my knowledge, unprecedented for a virus that is this communicable.
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What happened is that you looked at the chart before those countries posted for that particular day. That's why those were blank. I just went there and most of the new cases and new deaths slots are, again, blank for May 15 (which is the date right now in Germany) . If you click on "Yesterday" you'll see yesterday's POSTED counts. They are far from zero. I'll just give you Germany's. Sorry, but I don't have time to do all three countries for four days.
Germany's numbers over the last four days:
May 11 = 697 new cases and 92 new deaths.
May 12 = 595 new cases and 77 new deaths
May 13 = 927 new cases and 123 new deaths
May 14 = 877 new cases and 67 new deaths.
Per: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/germany/
Scroll down the page. You'll find the links to those dates.
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BTW, here's a dose of reality. A significant number of those "healthy people" that you say are "recovering" are reporting (so far it's long lasting if not permanent) severe damage to various organs. But go ahead and listen to those pushing their own agenda that only old, decrepit, sick and obese individuals are the least bit at risk here. And BTW, I'm not living in fear. Not in the least. I'm living well, smartly and confidently. And because of that, I fully plan to continuing to live as long as possible. To each their own.
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The future, as the past, belongs to the brave and the risk-takers. We lose a few of the best and brightest, but humanity is always better off because of them. I'm grateful our founders were of good courage. If I die tomorrow, it's been a great life. Hopefully, I'll just keep my fingers off the keyboard for a while, but before the year is out, I'll post "I told you so", but you won't apologize or admit you were wrong. It's sort of ironic that some of the same people who had blind faith that Elio would make it to production are the same people with blind fear of Covid-19. Some people might read that as an inability to process facts and risk levels, but that would be a bit cynical, wouldn't it?
Dale, you really can't do math. 23% death rate? LOL
Dale, you really can't do math. 23% death rate? LOL
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I'll make it real easy for you. As of right now in the US there have been 87,025 deaths due to Covid-19. The total number of recovered in the US is 318,036. Add those two numbers and call the sum "outcomes" because that's the true number of resolved outcomes that we know of. The eventual outcomes of the other 1,055,841 confirmed cases that are still sick in the US (and all the new cases that will come after them) have yet to be determined..That ratio between deaths and recoveries has been about the same since the start of the infections in the US and we have no reason to believe that the ratio will significantly change as time goes on without a unforeseen highly effective treatment or other intervention. As of last week, my county had 70 cases, 7 deaths and NO recoveries. We've had cases for about two months and still have NO recoveries. Again, the number of cases that have reached one outcome or another in the US is 405,061. Take 87,025 deaths and divide them by 405.061 total outcomes and you get .2148441 (point 2148441) or approximately 21.5%. I was about one and a half percent off because I did the math in my head in my previous post. LOL all you want but now explain to me how I can't do math. You keep bringing up fear. It's more intelligent prudence than fear. Shown by people who can do the math and can accept the answers they get. As I said, I'm living well and I'm hardly "living in fear". You can do everything in your power to prove Darwin right or wrong if you'd like. Personally, I'd rather calmly and methodically take a few precautions, as I've been doing since early January, and not be one of the 21.5%.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Truth be known, I've not given EM much of a chance in hell for going on five years now. I did the math and was honest enough with myself to accept the answer. A miracle would have been nice since I lost more than a grand on EM including a few hundred on the stock, but I knew a miracle wasn't likely.
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I’m within days of 65, statistically ‘obese,’ an ex smoker and ex heavy drinker, once recently I was ‘pre diabetic,’ and ‘pre’ high blood pressure with 125 over something. I went thru about 36 hours of a very sore chest where I could only take in about 10 -15 percent of my lung capacity without moderate to shy of extreme pain (but I could do it which is important). Two nights I had ‘night sweats,’ one night drenched. Couldn’t stand up with out almost fainting for about two days. Then pain migrated to middle right back for about 24 hours and was able to breathe at about 85 percent, I reckon.
Am more confident I had the Chinese virus than the false positives/negatives of the dubious tests: never went to a doctor and am happily off the ‘rolls’ and now not on this asinine and invasive ‘contact followup’ bs the Feds and some local gubmints are doing. I find it funny that it’s modeled on AIDS follow up but one can have thousands of CV contacts a day but even the most promiscuous gay guy can only have so muck **** sex.
Using ‘those tested’ as either a numerator or denominator is patently ridiculous. I venture to say a great great majority of people never got tested much less saw a doctor, even with moderate symptoms, or of course, asymptomatic.
I did register with some national organization that will let local hospitals test me for antibodies and use my blood products. There are so many sources saying that, so far, no testing really has much merit: Quest Diagnostics will do a test for $119 but that too is of questionable accuracy. There really is no metric that has any merit: the one that does is just the number of deaths to the Chinese virus.... even that has big accounting problems.
Am more confident I had the Chinese virus than the false positives/negatives of the dubious tests: never went to a doctor and am happily off the ‘rolls’ and now not on this asinine and invasive ‘contact followup’ bs the Feds and some local gubmints are doing. I find it funny that it’s modeled on AIDS follow up but one can have thousands of CV contacts a day but even the most promiscuous gay guy can only have so muck **** sex.
Using ‘those tested’ as either a numerator or denominator is patently ridiculous. I venture to say a great great majority of people never got tested much less saw a doctor, even with moderate symptoms, or of course, asymptomatic.
I did register with some national organization that will let local hospitals test me for antibodies and use my blood products. There are so many sources saying that, so far, no testing really has much merit: Quest Diagnostics will do a test for $119 but that too is of questionable accuracy. There really is no metric that has any merit: the one that does is just the number of deaths to the Chinese virus.... even that has big accounting problems.
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There were four or five nights in January when I had a very abnormal and rather acute shortness of breath. No other symptoms at all. Lungs seemed fine with no apparent congestion. No coughing. No pain. It just felt like there wasn't enough oxygen in the air. I thought it might have to do with keeping my bedroom door closed and a subsequent depletion of the O2 along with a CO2 buildup. That's what it felt like even though I've never had that problem with my house before. It seemed to help when I aired the house out with a cross breeze by opening both downstairs doors and forcing fresh air into the bedroom with a fan. Regardless, I'm still not going to be careless and expose myself when I don't have to. It's just not the smart thing to do.
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Humanity should listen to the best and the brightest while most of us are still alive and well. Our founders were not only courageous, they were smart and caring patriots that would have had a plan in place that you would have had issues with. If I die tomorrow because someone simply refused to wear a mask and social distance until testing and tracing was in place, it doesn’t impact you whatsoever, but my family might be sad. Is predicting a future “I told you so” along with your required “apology” blind faith. Those of us acting out of respect for humanity are wrong to have an opinion based on medical science and tens of thousands of lost lives? I choose Dale’s camp of smart, calm, and cautious. I’ll continue to be respectful of others health and well being to include yours during our reopening of our economy. Had the political majority leadership gotten ahead of the virus, we wouldn’t have the added economic issues. If that opinion is proven wrong in the future there will be no “I told you so” or “apologies” required.
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