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[jdkeats]

"unless somehow connected directly to gas, coal, and oil"

... which is EXACTLY the case.

BigCarbon, BigElectric, BigFinance, etc buys politicians at all levels to protect/enable their market domination.

What about BigMouth?

 

[Folks]

Perhaps that is the point and importance of supporting the development of alternative energy options to reduce our dependency on foreign oil. It seems you may prefer to wait until one day you pull up to the pump to fill up your Elio and there is a sign stuck on the gas pump "holy shit we're out of fuel" as I fly by in my Elio EV that's charged from a solar power grid.

Pleeeeeeaaaaaze don't tell me that you believe the myth about peak oil. The plethora of lies published threw the press in no way vindicates any of them. That's an old Russian trick of propaganda. Peak oil and Global warming are both straw dogs the Liberals and Socialist use as an excuse to wrist away the benefits once enjoyed by free enterprise. You doubt the lust for power from the left then why the gushing open of the boarders to obtain automatic Dem voters and every other speech from the Pres is about the Global warming garbage. Peak oil is but one more. This open boarder thingy is a direct assault on both the sovereignty of your individual citizen rights as an employable voter and a direct assault on America's security. And the Repubs are acquiescing at every turn for fear of being labeled a racist (no reelection) by the pervasive lying press. A farmer who runs his tractor threw a wheel rut mud puddle and inadvertently squishes a tadpole is now chargeable for damaging wet lands and harming an endangered species. Giiiiive meee a breaaaak!!!!
PS Holy sht will get you censored. They got me on one too. LOL

 

[jdkeats]

LOL, if only solar industry got 1% of what oil, gas, and coal industry have gotten through the years in direct and indirect subsidies! We'd be fully independent from our oil dealers for 25 years now.

This is one of the biggest misconceptions out there.
Oil,gas and coal do not get any money. (Especially coal with current admin)
Again this is a semantic/vocabulary problem.
Oil/ gas pays lots of taxes and they do get subsidiaries at which means the will pay less taxes. The amount they pay is up for argument, but lets make it clear, they pay for the ability to mine/produce the fuel.

What the alternative fuel market wants is cash handouts for technology that they cannot afford themselves. They do not want to pay anything, for they are providing renewable energy and they cannot deliver a product that is competitive with these expenses. We do not charge for the wind or sun light they use, but they do not want to pay for the equipment either.

 

[Snick]

40% of a military budget that exceeds the next 22 largest militaries in the world is used to protect oil flow and transit through the Straights of Hormuz and Suez Canal.

40% of the world's oil transits through the SOH and Suez.

You may not call that a subsidy, but anyone who's being honest with themselves will.

That adds up to TRILLIONS of dollars (lifetime cost). Whatever Solyndra, solar, wind, renewables have gotten in meager scraps over the decades is just VASTLY overwhelmed by that direct subsidy the (world) oil industry alone has gotten over just 3 years.

You and I don't pay for that military protection at the gas pump, we pay for it in our taxes. It costs each of our families thousands of dollars per year. My last 3 years payment due to the extra military protection for oil interests alone averages $1,100/year.

I'd rather subsidize our economic independence from the Saudi's who are currently trying to break the balls of our domestic oil and gas industries. I wish I could direct that $1,100 per year to solar, wind, hydro, nuclear, advanced renewables and clean energy research, etcetera than to the Saudi's.

I realize you don't all feel the same as I do and are fine with status quo. I am not. I think oil and gas have their place, and I do not advocate hurting domestic industry. I just don't like funding terrorists and people that hate us (our drug dealers the Saudi's, Venezuela, etc...)


In other words, semantics, shmemankicks! We've been getting robbed for so long, it's considered "normal", but I HATE IT.

 

[Snick]

The main difference between us and Europe is our economy is driven by the free market and not by Government mandate like most of the Socialists Governments.
Why would a business develop a technology that could produce electricity at a rate of $0.10/ KW when existing technologies can produce it at $0.05/ KW?
There is no incentive unless Government interferes with the free market.
The bottom line is that I do not implicitly trust either, I just trust the free market more than the Government.

The old adage, " power corrupts, absolute power absolutely corrupts" is a belief I adhere to and unwilling to trust any government to look after our best interests.

Any alternative energy program that waste tax payer dollars is just another Solyndra.

Is the word "exploited" used for all non-renewable fuel sources? I find that vocabulary now dictates ideology.

illegal immigrant is now an undocumented worker? just games being played for the mindless.

Let's consider the full quote, which is more impactful and goes deeper:

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority, still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority. There is no worse heresy than that the office sanctifies the holder of it.

 

[WilliamH]

40% of a military budget that exceeds the next 22 largest militaries in the world is used to protect oil flow and transit through the Straights of Hormuz and Suez Canal.

40% of the world's oil transits through the SOH and Suez.

You may not call that a subsidy, but anyone who's being honest with themselves will.

That adds up to TRILLIONS of dollars (lifetime cost). Whatever Solyndra, solar, wind, renewables have gotten in meager scraps over the decades is just VASTLY overwhelmed by that direct subsidy the (world) oil industry alone has gotten over just 3 years.

You and I don't pay for that military protection at the gas pump, we pay for it in our taxes. It costs each of our families thousands of dollars per year. My last 3 years payment due to the extra military protection for oil interests alone averages $1,100/year.

I'd rather subsidize our economic independence from the Saudi's who are currently trying to break the balls of our domestic oil and gas industries. I wish I could direct that $1,100 per year to solar, wind, hydro, nuclear, advanced renewables and clean energy research, etcetera than to the Saudi's.

I realize you don't all feel the same as I do and are fine with status quo. I am not. I think oil and gas have their place, and I do not advocate hurting domestic industry. I just don't like funding terrorists and people that hate us (our drug dealers the Saudi's, Venezuela, etc...)


In other words, semantics, shmemankicks! We've been getting robbed for so long, it's considered "normal", but I HATE IT.

And that's why the XL Pipeline should have been approved.
That's also why we should be putting money into Thorium reactor research.
And if you want solar, fund research to convert it more efficiently, not to mass produce yesterdays technology which China will beat us at every time.

 

[WilliamH]

Just heard House Majority Whip Steve Scalise on FOX (Maria Bartiroma) talking about not being able to sell in foreign countries because of trade regulations.
It hit me once again, that Elio wants to build a vehicle that will be competitive in foreign markets.
What's the delay? Money! Who has been sitting on the final loan for about 11 months? The DOE ATVM UEV Loan program controlled by an appointed bureaucrat.
Maybe Representative Scalies should jump on the Elio band wagon and light a fire under the DOE.
Maybe we should all write to him and tell him to advocate for Elio.

 

[archer5013]

And that's why the XL Pipeline should have been approved.
That's also why we should be putting money into Thorium reactor research.
And if you want solar, fund research to convert it more efficiently, not to mass produce yesterdays technology which China will beat us at every time.

I disagree with those "permitted" belief - indoctrinations. There are and always have been alternatives. Actually, often, what is now considered an "alternative" was where our consumptions and technologies began - until- the corporate controllers got their way.

Alcohol, for instance ... where it began (1826 internal combustion engines) ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_alcohol_fuel

"We are buried beneath the weight of information,
which is being confused with knowledge;
quantity is being confused with abundance,
and wealth with happiness.
We are monkeys with money and guns.
~Tom Waits

 

[WilliamH]

I disagree with those "permitted" belief - indoctrinations. There are and always have been alternatives. Actually, often, what is now considered an "alternative" was where our consumptions and technologies began - until- the corporate controllers got their way.
Alcohol, for instance ... where it began (1826 internal combustion engines) ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_alcohol_fuel

"We are buried beneath the weight of information,
which is being confused with knowledge;
quantity is being confused with abundance,
and wealth with happiness.
We are monkeys with money and guns.
~Tom Waits

..........""permitted" belief - indoctrinations".............
Say what?

 

[DAVID BROWER]

I would like to experience a 'do over' with huggable Al Gore as President, and compare how his leadership
policies would have impacted our current State of Affairs. No speculation offered or wanted.[/QUOTE]

TIPPER THREW IN THE TOWEL ON HIM DIDN'T SHE ?

AS FOR SOLAR AND WIND , THEY ARE BOTH GREAT IDEAS FOR SUPPLEMENTAL POWER .
IT IS LUNACY TO THINK OF REPLACING NUCLEAR , COAL , NATURAL GAS OR HYDRO-ELECTRIC
WITH SOLAR /WIND POWER .

SOLAR HAS THE ONCE A DAY PROBLEM WE CALL NIGHT TIME & TO A LESSER EXTENT CLOUDY DAYS .
WIND POWER HAS THE PROBLEM OF CALM DAYS & STORMY DAYS .

IN BOTH CASES , YOU NEED SOMETHING THAT RUNS AROUND THE CLOCK .
ALL THESE RENEWABLES CAN OR WILL EVER DO IS HELP OUT WHEN THE WEATHER IS RIGHT .