Lack Of Interest

[booboo]

" battery electric tech will be caught up with gas powertrains " ?
Right now , battery electric tech is a finite resource just like gas powertrains. The rare earth metals, lithium, etc, are all pulled from the ground just like oil, although some recycling can be done, so that is a little better.
Energy storage is the great riddle that may never be unraveled in our lifetime.
Beam me up Scotty!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_storage

 

[johnsnownw]

" battery electric tech will be caught up with gas powertrains " ?
Right now , battery electric tech is a finite resource just like gas powertrains. The rare earth metals, lithium, etc, are all pulled from the ground just like oil, although some recycling can be done, so that is a little better.
Energy storage is the great riddle that may never be unraveled in our lifetime.
Beam me up Scotty!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_storage

Lithium is harvested in pools, not pulled out of the ground like oil or gas. Li-ion batteries don't use rare earth metals, for instance Tesla's chemistry uses Cobalt, Manganese, Lithium, Silicon, and Nickel.

Otherwise, yes, many of the battery components have to be mined. Luckily Li-Ion batteries are almost 100% recyclable.

 

[booboo]

"extracted from underground" , not like passive sea salt pond. Electric motors use rare earths.
As of 2015 most of the world's lithium production is in South America, where lithium-containing brine is extracted from underground pools and concentrated by solar evaporation. The standard extraction technique is to evaporate water from brine. Each batch takes from 18 to 24 months.[95] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

I must apologize for being more argumentative lately, the lack of Elio good news is negatively affecting my enthusiasm.

 

[Samalross]

I think that batteries will become obsolete, by being replaced by induction charging

 

[booboo]

I have always wondered why they do not make big wind up cars for adults.

 

[Sethodine]

"extracted from underground" , not like passive sea salt pond. Electric motors use rare earths.
As of 2015 most of the world's lithium production is in South America, where lithium-containing brine is extracted from underground pools and concentrated by solar evaporation. The standard extraction technique is to evaporate water from brine. Each batch takes from 18 to 24 months.[95] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

I must apologize for being more argumentative lately, the lack of Elio good news is negatively affecting my enthusiasm.

Funny you should mention sea salt ponds...
The inventor of the Lithium Ion battery, John Goodenough, just announced a new battery technology called "Sodium Glass". It is a solid-state battery that uses sodium locked in a glass matrix, rather than liquid lithium. Not only does this have the advantage of using a much more common element, but it is lighter, can't catch fire, has 3 times the energy density of lithium, the cells will cost 1/3 to produce and it can handle at least double the lifetime cycles of lithium.

All the major automakers are predicting that 2025 (or thereabouts) will be the year that EV drivetrains surpass fossil fuels for cost-effectiveness (from a manufacturing perspective). Surely there will still be gas cars made, but the EV varient of any given model will be cheaper than the gas engine model.

 

[ecdriver711]

Like the Elio, just not there yet.

 

[johnsnownw]

"extracted from underground" , not like passive sea salt pond. Electric motors use rare earths.
As of 2015 most of the world's lithium production is in South America, where lithium-containing brine is extracted from underground pools and concentrated by solar evaporation. The standard extraction technique is to evaporate water from brine. Each batch takes from 18 to 24 months.[95] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium

I must apologize for being more argumentative lately, the lack of Elio good news is negatively affecting my enthusiasm.

Tesla EV motors do not use rare earth metals. They're basically large chunks of copper, surrounded by copper wiring.

 

[Inigo93]

I think that batteries will become obsolete, by being replaced by induction charging

Huh? Last I checked, induction charging is a way to charge a battery, not an energy storage technology. Did I miss something?

 

[Samalross]

IAV has a patent involving imbedding power in the road. The induction coils in the car would receive the power. I imagine Sethodine could explain better. With small car batteries, this could reduce weight and power consumption dramatically