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Ty said:
I've rotated tires on a couple over vehicles but most I don't even bother. Tires now wear so evenly that rotating them isn't necessary. With the Elio being so light, I'm betting tire wear will be minimal - especially because they'll no doubt be a harder rubber than most to be low-roll-resistance. I won't bother rotating mine.

Here's the million dollar question: For people who rotate their tires, how much further do the tires last? We aren't doubling their mileage, are we? Probably not. Math time!
May as well use Pep Boys.
$14.99 to rotate tires. I was going to discount the Elio because it's only two but they have to remove fenders, store them safely while doing the work, and reassemble the car. It's recommended to rotate the tires every 8,000 miles.
135/80-R15 Other than compact spares, I can't find any. A similar size tire sells for $88.
60,000 mile warranty means 7 rotations in the life of the tire... $105 in rotations per tire swap. Two sets of ties gets you to 120,000 miles and costs you $176+$210=$386
No rotations would take three sets of tires to get to 120,000. $0 in rotation, but $176 in tires twice. $0+$176+176=$352
It looks like the non-rotation team wins. Plus, there is no wear and tear on the fenders caused by some careless mechanic.

Now, IF the Elio ends up causing cupping or some weird wear pattern, sure, rotating makes sense to me. I'd probably be pulling the fenders every 20k or so miles to check the brakes anyway so swapping over the tires then might make sense.
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I've had the same tires on the bug for over 10 years now, It weighs 1515 lbs with me in it, I've only swapped the back tires left to right due to wear (hole shots and burn outs the cause), if I didn't beat it like I stole it I would really never have to rotate any rubber, I am guessing the Elio will never need tire rotation, they'd probably dry-rot before they wear out.
 
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..........and is the specific December 16 target date more realistic than the Q4 2016 target for the 100 pre-production vehicles? I ass.u.me that Paul Elio's comment was one of his 'forward thinking' statements that EM makes reference to in their Momentum in the requisite funding and plans can change footnote.

I would much rather hear, "The 100 Fleet Beta Elio's will be delivered when they are ready, shortly after the E Builds/testing is complete. Target dates are meaningless and history shows they lead to disappointment.
 
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..........and is the specific December 16 target date more realistic than the Q4 2016 target for the 100 pre-production vehicles? I ass.u.me that Paul Elio's comment was one of his 'forward thinking' statements that EM makes reference to in their Momentum in the requisite funding and plans can change footnote.

I would much rather hear, "The 100 Fleet Beta Elio's will be delivered when they are ready, shortly after the E Builds/testing is complete. Target dates are meaningless and history shows they lead to disappointment.
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Bragging rights, "Production started in 2016" will be etched into the lobby wall at Elio HQ. I've always said he'd get at least 1 out the door this year to prove a point and make a 2016 deadline one way or another.
 
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