Thoughts About Elio From A Pickup Lover

[Dustoff]

You know perhaps Elio Motors should make more about the AND car. I honestly haven't seen that on their site or some of the videos I have watched. Perhaps that idea should be more front and center.

I believe that most people will get the idea that the Elio will not cary more than one passenger or haul a stack of 4' X 8' plywood.

 

[cleverwise]

I realize I have posted about this but I think Elio has some what of an issue. You guys are saying it is an AND car and fair enough I am not disputing that fact and totally agree. However my impressions from Elio Motors is not that.

In fact some of their polished videos come across as this will replace your sedan, truck, SUV, etc. I haven't put nearly the time into research as most of you and if that is my reaction it will be a lot of other people's too. There is a well known principle in business. You should have your seven second elevator "speech" ready. So perhaps it should be something like "The Elio is an extremely fuel efficient small commuter vehicle that fits well in your current collection."

I also think some of you are painting a little more into the part of me explaining Elio "owners" need to becareful about how they talk about the car. I am not claiming you will personally try to sell someone on the idea of replacing their SUV. It is just something to be mindful of is all.

I again go back to the Segway. If you remember it was billed as it will replace walking and everyone will own one. I just think as a more outside observer there is a gap there of potentially sounding like you should replace your current vehicle is all.

 

[CompTrex]

Is there a Cliff Notes version of the original post? Short opinion, Yes the Segway was sold as a replacement for walking. Until people found out the price of walking a Segway was $8,000 Plus!! Walking is free, difficult justification and a poor analogy to the Elio concept.

The Elio has Never been sold by anyone as a replacement for Any vehicle. It has from the start been sold as an "And" vehicle though most not toting around a family or lumber could very easily get by with the simplicity of an Elio. I myself, family of 5 have driven a 2 seat Honda Insight for close to 10 years as an "And" vehicle and never had an issue understanding its not for drywall or soccer games.

As for the pick up truck thesis, I had one and yes they are nice with one Major flaw I found out Quickly. Every friend, family member, or neighbor becomes your best pal asking to move Everything everywhere. I was like a personal moving service. Cant say no, but I was glad to see it leave!! Now I just rent a pickup for $19 if I have an emergency need or simply have it delivered usually free.

That right there is one of the reasons I love my pick-up! I'm always asked to help / serve others in my community and my circle of friends.

 

[JEBar]

we currently have too many vehicles for the 2 of us to use .... the three that are used for general transportation (an '00 Buick Park Avenue, '05 Chevy Trailblazer, '11 Chevy Silverado pickup) are vehicles we plan to keep for many more years .... an Elio cannot replace any of them but every mile put on the Elio is a mile that isn't put on the others .... for us, the major value in buying an Elio for running around is it should help the others last longer .... doing so at a reduced fuel expense is a plus but that savings will never equal the cost of the Elio .... the last factor is, it looks like a rig I'd enjoy driving

Jim

 

[BlioKart]

As for the pick up truck thesis, I had one and yes they are nice with one Major flaw I found out Quickly. Every friend, family member, or neighbor becomes your best pal asking to move Everything everywhere. I was like a personal moving service. Cant say no, but I was glad to see it leave!! Now I just rent a pickup for $19 if I have an emergency need or simply have it delivered usually free.

I was going to buy a GMC Sierra once new off the showroom floor and decided against it for the same reason. I really liked it yellow single cab with color matching tonneau cover and nice set of wheels. Good thing i didn't.

 

[Dustoff]

As for the pick up truck thesis, I had one and yes they are nice with one Major flaw I found out Quickly. Every friend, family member, or neighbor becomes your best pal asking to move Everything everywhere. I was like a personal moving service. Cant say no, but I was glad to see it leave!! Now I just rent a pickup for $19 if I have an emergency need or simply have it delivered usually free.

As soon as I put a camper on mine the moving invitations stopped.
When I need the bed for hauling I simply remove the camper.

 

[dgruis]

After a conversation with Goofyone I decided to list my reasons for some interest in the Elio project. You see I am really a truck guy at heart. My dream vehicle is a Nissan Titan Crew Cab with a diesel engine. I completely believe diesel technology is far superior to gasoline in almost every way. I am 100% sold on diesel engines.

Now before I get into the Elio let me explain why I find trucks (and to a degree suv/cuvs so appealing). For starters I really like pickups and have owned some (2003 Dodge Dakota and 2006 Nissan Frontier). I really enjoyed both vehicles. I like the way pickups look (some more than others), I find their beds extremely useful, and I like riding higher. (I personally can't stand sport cars as I feel like my butt is being dragged across the payment.) Also there is the added head room. Pickup trucks (suv's and cuv's too) offer more head room in general. My mother finally left sedans and agrees how she prefers the increased head room and feels less boxed in. I got to say see told you so!

Of course the main disadvantage of bigger trucks, especially full size pickups, is fuel economy. That is beginning to change thanks to diesel technology. In fact the RAM now gets 28 highway mpg which is impressive considering not that long ago 15 or so was the best. There is a race now among Ford, GM, Nissan, Toyota, and Chrysler to see who can develop the most fuel efficient full size truck. The target is 30+ highway and 22+ city which again is a huge jump over the 15ish highway and 12ish city that was common not that long ago. However the advancing engine technology for these vehicles is another thread and discussion in and of itself.

So that brings me to Elio.

Why in the world would someone who likes big heavy vehicles even give Elio a second look? Well for starters let me be honest. I have no current desire to own a Elio. None. So does that mean I think Elio is silly or stupid? No, not at all! I believe Elio can fill some niches. I also think Elio can help bring some changes to the automotive market in other ways. However Elio has some short comings too.

I am going to look at the short comings first. Elio is being touted as the next big thing in the transportation market that will change everyone's life. The same was said about the Segway. There is obviously some marketing hype in the statements I have reviewed from Elio Motors. However that is to be expected from the marketing team. I have no issue with Elio Motors trying to put the best light on their product. That is business 101 and a brings up a duh!

Still Elio falls short in several key areas. Of course for families you aren't going to load up four, five or six people. You aren't going to be towing the family boat to the lake. Nor are you going to be able to bring home a lot of goods from a bigger shopping venture. So the "car" if obviously going to fall short for many people. I think this is where Elio future owners need to becareful. I am not calling out anyone just saying if you are talking to a family with a Nissan Quest trying to push them into the greatness of Elio when the vehicle won't fit their needs it will only build resistance. So clearly Elio is far from the car that we will all be driving in the future.

I also noticed Elio is pushing the idea of fleets for businesses. There is some potential here for sure. A lot of businesses like painting companies, tree removal, window replacement, insurance companies, etc have estimators. The Elio would fit that niche extremely well. I recently needed some foundation work done on my home and every company estimator showed up in smaller vehicles instead of full size pickups. Of course work crews and people like plumbers, electricians, painters, etc will continue to need much bigger vehicles to hold all their tools, supplies, and transport bigger items from home improvement stores and suppliers. My point here is what I mentioned above.

Fuel economy is nice but it is far from the only reason a vehicle is purchased. So that goes back to Elio enthusiasts needing to be a little cautious about preaching their love to others. Of course that doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't talk about the vehicle but clearly this vehicle isn't going to replace vans, pickups, or suv/cuv's. Plus people often buy vehicles because they like the form factor or style and gas has little to do with the equation, although that is certainly high on many people's list these days.

If you have made it this far you might be thinking all I am doing is running down Elio and dumping negative energy into this forum. This is where you will probably start to smile. I believe, again being a truck fan, Elio has done many things well and it is for this reason I have some interest. I first must credit Goofyone's talking about this as when we speak on the phone or meet up in person as he has kept me very up-to-date.

So what IMO has Elio done that deserve's kudos?

Well for starters this isn't some silly electric car. Do electric cars have some potential? Sure. Are we there yet? No freakin' way. I laugh when Nissan Leaf owners brag about not spending money on gas and/or saving the environment. Oh really? So you get electricity free? Oh and that electricity is pollution free, eh? Seeing how most of the US still uses coal I say "yeah, yeah, yeah". Pure nonsense. If someone on here drives a Leaf oh well. I am not against anyone owning them. It is your money. I totally understand and am not against the idea of wanting to be removed from gas pump stops, but we still need technology to improve. I think the better idea for "electric" vehicles is using a gas generator and following the diesel electric train type idea. Anyway I digress; back to Elio.

I like how Elio has been designed to use standard off the shelf parts for most of the vehicle. This adds cost savings and basically you are subsidizing the car off the parts designed for other vehicles. So thank the owners of other cars for buying the high priced version and paying for the R&D.

My geekiness and engineer antennas start to twitch when discussing the in's and out's of the Elio design. I, like goofyone, was the kind of kid that took things apart to see how they work, and yes I didn't always get them back together. I enjoy science and technology and reading and learning how things works so it has been entertaining to hear about the way Elio has been designed. So my hat's off to the Elio design team.

I also like new and creative ideas. I like discussing businesses and find it very interesting when new line ideas pop up. I believe the gas payoff solution is extremely novel. Of course we will have to see how well it plays out but it has the potential to cause some changes in the market. Sure most vehicles won't use that method but, assuming it works, it will spur other vehicles to follow suit or at least start thinking of other ways than traditional payment methods. That is nothing short of a win for the consumer and for the businesses that come up with such ideas.

The idea of the retail center sounds very promising too. It could help alter the monopoly traditional car dealership. Those won't be going away but the idea Elio has, along with others, is starting to put cracks in the traditional buying experience. It will be very interesting to see how it all plays out.

I also have to say the idea of hooking up with PepBoys is another ingenious solution. I am sure Paul and co were sitting there going how do we service these "cars" all over the US without some huge dealer network. This is a win-win-win-lose. It is a win for Elio because they don't need to invest in service centers and adds to the selling point that Elio owners will have certified service centers near by (for most markets). It is a win for the customer because they will get official certified Elio support. It is a win for Pepboys as they will pick up business. It is a lose for traditional dealerships because it shows startup "car" companies can have access to instant ready-to-go service centers without the cost or build out. This is another win for the consumer.

The fact this product is being made here in the United States and will create American jobs is really awesome and another great feature of Elio. This is simply amazing especially in the current anti-business environment Washington is creating thanks to both parties. I believe this would change radically if the FairTax was passed but that is for another thread/topic. Anyway back to Elio that is very commendable. Plus I have heard other countries like China are very interested in importing Elios so the possibility for an American "car" company to export vehicles built here is truly amazing.

I see Elio, along with a few other companies, really helping to reshape the vehicle market. I don't think Elio is the car that everyone, or even most people, will want but the potential for this little startup compared to the big boys is real. When you add their ideas with the power of the Internet this is a product that will probably have more changes on the market than the actual vehicle itself.

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I totally AGREE as long as all people AGREE the supply of the world's oil is UNLIMITED.

Those who DISAGREE probably believe in 'dose SCIENTISTS, go figure?

Someday I wonder if our GRAND KIDS/GREAT GRAND KIDS will AGREE with our logic to think about ourselves, and subliminally say "to heck with my decedents, I drilled my oil, they can drill theirs...if it still exists that is"

Is it time to take one mild discomfort and one mild-uncoolness "for the team" or "for our kids"?

 

[RKing]

I also need the "all of the above selection" , but checked pickup as that is my daily driver at the moment. I drive 300 to 400 miles a week by myself commuting. I will not buy another pickup (outragous $$ with bunch of c**p I don't need on them) but also will not be without a pickup on the farm. So every mile that goes on the Elio saves me money ,not just on fuel but wear and tear on an expensive to replace pickup. I ride bikes and drive sports cars , the ride hight is different but it's just that , just different. I also sometimes make long drives to attend competitions as a coach, alone or with my son and 84MPG goes a long way toward making that a little more "low impact" than any of my other options. It bothers me to consume the fuel I do , on many levels, but econimacally I really don't have a choice. Once Elio is a rolling reality I DO have that choice and will exercixe it. The sedan (Regal with 250000 miles needing work) will go away. The Elio is a commuter and efficient plaything for me. But it also will give me peace of mind that one drum of fuel will last me 4000 miles if needed. It bothers me everytime I take of to go creek fishing in the pickup that it's costing me 10$ in gas, can't do that in retirement. Definately and AND vehicle, and an outstanding design concept at that.
Segway???? Really, I would rather walk, and that's free !

 

[zelio]

You know perhaps Elio Motors should make more about the AND car. I honestly haven't seen that on their site or some of the videos I have watched. Perhaps that idea should be more front and center.

LOL I am laughing at that comment because last month some were complaining that too much emphasis is on the "and" car concept. I am one of the people for whom this will be my one car. Although I shop Costco, I also am handicapped so use a small 4 wheel grocery cart to transport my purchases to my apartment. That means when I shop I usually stop at what my cart will carry so I don't have to make more than one trip. The one exception is TP. Elio will hold that 30 roll package a lot easier than my cart. I have to break it down into 6 roll units to cart them to my apartment. But I don't have to worry about them spoiling in the car if I don't get them all taken in in one trip. Z

 

[zelio]

I don't believe Paul Elio expects his three wheeler will replace every other type of road vehicle, in fact he's described it as an "and" vehicle. However, there are an increasing number of people who have to commute longer distances and who do require an inexpensive personal transport with high mpg.

Fuel costs are a large factor in my family budget. I drive 45 miles each way to and from my workplace. I would prefer to commute by motorcycle and years ago I did so but it isn't practical, especially in poor weather. I would consider the Elio as a motorcycle alternative because when I commute it's only me plus my pilots case and sometimes an overnight bag.

To put this in perspective, in my part of the world, gasoline presently costs around £1.29 per litre, diesel is around £1.35. In USA, at today's prices (I just checked) you pay the equivalent of £0.54 per litre for gas and £0.61 per litre for diesel. So less than half.

If the USA doesn't want the Elio, there could be a willing market in UK and elsewhere in Europe. Especially as the goal of 84 mpg on a U.S. gallon equates to 96 mpg on an Imperial gallon of gas. It would halve my commuting fuel bill.

In case I haven't mentioned it wheaters, I love your input. It is so interesting to hear a point of view from someone outside of this country. I am very glad you joined us. :-) Z