Why Not Buy A Geo Metro Or 1st Gen Insight?

[Ty]

The kind of crappy part of this is one of them may have actually been the 1000th person to join this forum? Not that it matters as there was no prize but just a point.

1,000 people joined a car forum for a car that isn't even being produced yet. Maybe there's something to this Elio afterall... Of course, I'm kind of biased.

 

[Craig]

Us geo trolls are still.

First off id like to apologize for the start of the thread.

Now back to the arguing. Lol.

I'm actually surprised you didn't find the thread sooner.

I have provided valuable info on the transmission ratios that you guys should be asking.

As of right now it is a modern 3 wheeled geo metro. I am not bashing the car itself. I just don't think it will be mass produced. I don't like the business model and I feel like you guys are getting screwed.

Now quite a few of would buy one in a heartbeat....but many of us wouldn't because after transportation, taxes etc it will probably be 8k or more out the door. The fuel savings would take too long.

What would make me switch would be the comfort level. My metro feels like a gokart.

Some ppl on here say the 3 cyl meto is junk. As of right now the drive train is the same. So that would make the elio junk.

So why wait on gas mileage though? You can have great mpgs. Metros are hard to come by, but I don't remember the last time I saw an elio for sale.

Again most of us like it because it is a modern metro but I don't see any facts.

84mpg on a car where we don't know the engine or trans?

Hell if they just got 55mpg with the metro engine id be happy

You must remember the current car is a concept car not a production car.
They are not selling a car they are marketing a concept. That is why you don't see any of them for sell. There are over 15K people wanting an Elio, will you go out and get us, say 10K derivable Met's for 3K?

For all practical purposes the current car is a piece of crap. It was put together with parts from here and there only to provide a touchable vision. Though the motor is a good motor, it's only by happenstance this motor and drive train was used. I'm sure it was not used by design. In one picture I saw drywall screws under the hood.

You do know the motor that they want to use will be built by BMW. As for the transmission, EM will only use the one that provides the ratio that will get them the 84mpg and the rest you provided (valuable) info on are useless.

"Now quite a few of would buy one in a heartbeat....but many of us wouldn't because after transportation, taxes etc it will probably be 8k or more out the door. The fuel savings would take too long."

You need to go on the EM web site and watch the vid on how this is better than a free car.

 

[Horn]

So we don't have an official engine or trans and we expect he car to be rolling off the floor in a year?

No way possible. How long will it take to really hire people? Get the equipment? Start a marketing campaign? All this while they are still trying to raise funds.

Ty - I have never said the metro is the best car of all time. You can bend my words but you are reaching.

If this company doesn't exist, you will not be supprting any jobs. The reason you are getting a high return (so it seems) is because its risky.

We all know there is a high demand for a car like this.

You could take that $1000 buy some lawn equipment with a kid and start a very small lawn business. Imo it would do more for the economy.

I'm trying to base things on facts and concrete evidence.

I really wish ford would just buy this company so it would actually be built - we know that wont happen.

The elio is abou 300lbs lightee than a metro. Are there any drag numbers for it yet? Serious question. It does look aerodynamic but how tall is it?

 

[Jim H]

First off, I really hope I am wrong, but there is no way Elio takes off.

Everyone here says "can't wait to see those MPGs"....So why do you guys and gals wait?

Many people with first generation Insights claim 60 to 70 highway mpgs.

I currently drive a 96 geo metro and fixing a 93 geo metro xfi. For the ones who don't know, the xfi got the best gas mileage and iirc it got 57 highway.

So why put $1000 on a car that may not be built when you could put $1000-$3000 on a nice geo metro?

I've read through all 6 pages of this thread and agree with Chris F to put this guy on my don't follow list. I do not understand why people who are so opposed to the Elio even bother to get on this forum. They certainly have nothing positive to add. He would be better off to go find a Geo forum and play in that arena

 

[Horn]

So I should go to EM to see their marketing plan. Lol of course they will say only good things. I don't blame them for that, but I don't need someone saying "you should give us money because its a really good deal!"

 

[Ty]

So we don't have an official engine or trans and we expect he car to be rolling off the floor in a year?

No way possible. How long will it take to really hire people? Get the equipment? Start a marketing campaign? All this while they are still trying to raise funds.

Ty - I have never said the metro is the best car of all time. You can bend my words but you are reaching.

If this company doesn't exist, you will not be supprting any jobs. The reason you are getting a high return (so it seems) is because its risky.

We all know there is a high demand for a car like this.

You could take that $1000 buy some lawn equipment with a kid and start a very small lawn business. Imo it would do more for the economy.

I'm trying to base things on facts and concrete evidence.

I really wish ford would just buy this company so it would actually be built - we know that wont happen.

The elio is abou 300lbs lightee than a metro. Are there any drag numbers for it yet? Serious question. It does look aerodynamic but how tall is it?

1. The motor has been designed (and transmission) and are being tested. IAV developed it.
2. They've already bought the equipment.... and it's already in their plant.
3. The marketing campaign has begun... 16,000 people have put their own hard earned (and some easy earned) money down - not many manufacturers have customers waiting when they start out.
4. Frontal area is the biggest contributor to aerodynamic drag in vehicles... The Elio only seats one wide so of course, it'll have better aerodynamics.

It won't take long to hire the people... definitely not 8 months to hire them. Shreveport has a bunch of ex-GM employees still.

 

[Horn]

Jim - what I am saying is what anyone giving money should be asking.

If you guys can't answer my simple questions? How do you (elio) expect to answer question from people with more questions.

My concerns are very legitimate.

 

[2.ooohhh]

So we don't have an official engine or trans and we expect he car to be rolling off the floor in a year?

No way possible. How long will it take to really hire people? Get the equipment? Start a marketing campaign? All this while they are still trying to raise funds.

Ty - I have never said the metro is the best car of all time. You can bend my words but you are reaching.

If this company doesn't exist, you will not be supprting any jobs. The reason you are getting a high return (so it seems) is because its risky.

We all know there is a high demand for a car like this.

You could take that $1000 buy some lawn equipment with a kid and start a very small lawn business. Imo it would do more for the economy.

I'm trying to base things on facts and concrete evidence.

I really wish ford would just buy this company so it would actually be built - we know that wont happen.

The elio is abou 300lbs lightee than a metro. Are there any drag numbers for it yet? Serious question. It does look aerodynamic but how tall is it?

Actually there is an "official engine" that has been engineered by and undergone preliminary testing by IAV an independent engineering firm. From what I have seen it is loosely based on the g10 but has an aluminum block, timing chain, variable cam timing, more efficient intake and exhaust, modern engine management, and is a higher static compression ratio. The IAV engine is scheduled to be installed in the upcoming p5 prototype for initial road testing.


http://www.eliomotors.com/iav/

 

[Craig]

So we don't have an official engine or trans and we expect he car to be rolling off the floor in a year?

No way possible. How long will it take to really hire people? They said it would take 90 days to ramp up. 75% of the people they hire use to work an the auto plant they bought. Get the equipment? The equipment came with the plant. Start a marketing campaign? Has been going on since 08. All this while they are still trying to raise funds. It is said Mr. Elio put in 5 mil of his own money.

Ty - I have never said the metro is the best car of all time. You can bend my words but you are reaching.

If this company doesn't exist, you will not be supprting any jobs. The reason you are getting a high return (so it seems) is because its risky.

We all know there is a high demand for a car like this.

You could take that $1000 buy some lawn equipment with a kid and start a very small lawn business. Imo it would do more for the economy. But that would suck driving it to work every day.

I'm trying to base things on facts and concrete evidence. You need to research this forum for better facts.

I really wish ford would just buy this company so it would actually be built - we know that wont happen. Ford designed part of the motor, but labor and dealer mark up would automatically add at least 4K to the car's base making the car impractical.

The elio is abou 300lbs lightee than a metro. Are there any drag numbers for it yet? Yes, they are on the forum. Serious question. It does look aerodynamic but how tall is it? Same height and front to back wheel base as a BMW three series.

You need to take a couple days and do some research, all the questions can be answered from this forum and the EM web site

 

[Craig]

I've read through all 6 pages of this thread and agree with Chris F to put this guy on my don't follow list. I do not understand why people who are so opposed to the Elio even bother to get on this forum. They certainly have nothing positive to add. He would be better off to go find a Geo forum and play in that arena

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