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RUCRAYZE said:
Lets review, your guide mark is one company in which you were personally involved that saw great positive chang, and from that you have now the wisdom to extrapolate EM's business model? Is that about right?
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ELIO has been on less than life support. Not hard to see . They are not dead yet but they need direction not dreams. Dreams got them started and a dam good one but time to do business. Then let the marketing people sell it. They won't have to if they hit the road the ELIO will sell it's self.
I have posted the engine video in three other sights where the ELIO has come up a few times and I have taken a ribbing for blowing a $1000 on it.
Should #8019 show up here I will allow others to drive it I will sell ELIO like I was drawing a commission.
The turn around at our company saved 14,000 job and it is not the only one to be turned around that way.
 
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Smitty901 said:
ELIO has been on less than life support. Not hard to see . They are not dead yet but they need direction not dreams. Dreams got them started and a dam good one but time to do business. Then let the marketing people sell it. They won't have to if they hit the road the ELIO will sell it's self.
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http://elioowners.com/threads/anyone-else-think-it-wont-happen.1808/page-59#post-83349

Remember 40-60K Elios
cruising the HOV lanes is money pure & simple. :)

PS: COMAU should talk to these guys: http://www.globalmachinebrokers.com/
 
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Smitty901 said:
You see that where you miss the point. I want to see ELIO make it. If they are to make they must Change, what they have been doing is a failure and will stay that way if they do not take a new course. Sitting back drinking the cool aid will only make it worst. I have never accused ELIO or fraud, or misleading people. I have defended them against charges of being a scam. ELIO management stayed in the dream to long and did not more the project on.
The company I work for was near being taken over cut up and sold off it was worth far more that way than intact and operating. Investment group took a 13% controlling interest and fire the CEO and board. Replaced many in management almost over night. But to everyone's surprise they did not sell it off.
They started fixing the Management and operation. In 1 year they double the stock price and the company is not only not in danger of being cut but was close to taking a controlling interest in another that was ready to shut them down.
Any start up is hard ELIO needs a better leader for the job they must do. Move the marketing people to the side bring in the money person.
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Some of their public relations could use some help, that's for sure. I don't think "...what they have been doing is a failure and will stay that way". I don't see any way to even come to that conclusion. Startups have delays. Period. Once you realize that (and by you, I mean anyone, not you in particular), everything else they are doing is working pretty darn well. They continue to garner support both in reservations and in companies throwing their hats in the supplier ring. They are making progress towards production... they've secured a plant, equipment, key personnel, etc. They have built progressively more sophisticated vehicles (up to the 4th one now and probably close to the final version). The engine has now been seen running on a Dyno. They've secured a partner in Comau who is helping set up the production line. Is all this going slower than some would like? Sure. But, it IS progressing. Part of that is funding... Sure, let's talk funding. If it were my company, I would most definitely delay and wait on the loan to come through rather than just willingly give up a big chunk of my company for the sake of making a few people who are antsy (That would be those who want their Elio RIGHT NOW) feel better. I'd just wait until it was obvious that the loan wasn't going to come through and then and only then would I let investors buy up chunks.

Do delays suck? Well of course they do. But to equate a delay by a brand new auto manufacturer to complete failure is pretty darn nearsighted. Other than the delays (we know they all weren't Elio's fault), has Elio really made any really bad decisions? Do they HAVE to tell us every single thing they are doing in order to be "as transparent as possible"? No. I wouldn't expect them to either. Let's be fair... both Chrysler and GM went bankrupt. It MUST be tough to do.

I'll end on this and none of this was directed at any person in particular. I just replied to this thread because it kind of fit. Not ONE person has lost money by putting money down on an Elio yet. Delayed, yes. Lost money, no.

(I worked at GM in Shreveport as most on this forum know and though I can't talk about a lot of what I did there, I can say that I'm surprised it took them as long as it did to go bankrupt.)
 
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Ty said:
Some of their public relations could use some help, that's for sure. I don't think "...what they have been doing is a failure and will stay that way". I don't see any way to even come to that conclusion. Startups have delays. Period. Once you realize that (and by you, I mean anyone, not you in particular), everything else they are doing is working pretty darn well. They continue to garner support both in reservations and in companies throwing their hats in the supplier ring. They are making progress towards production... they've secured a plant, equipment, key personnel, etc. They have built progressively more sophisticated vehicles (up to the 4th one now and probably close to the final version). The engine has now been seen running on a Dyno. They've secured a partner in Comau who is helping set up the production line. Is all this going slower than some would like? Sure. But, it IS progressing. Part of that is funding... Sure, let's talk funding. If it were my company, I would most definitely delay and wait on the loan to come through rather than just willingly give up a big chunk of my company for the sake of making a few people who are antsy (That would be those who want their Elio RIGHT NOW) feel better. I'd just wait until it was obvious that the loan wasn't going to come through and then and only then would I let investors buy up chunks.

Do delays suck? Well of course they do. But to equate a delay by a brand new auto manufacturer to complete failure is pretty darn nearsighted. Other than the delays (we know they all weren't Elio's fault), has Elio really made any really bad decisions? Do they HAVE to tell us every single thing they are doing in order to be "as transparent as possible"? No. I wouldn't expect them to either. Let's be fair... both Chrysler and GM went bankrupt. It MUST be tough to do.

I'll end on this and none of this was directed at any person in particular. I just replied to this thread because it kind of fit. Not ONE person has lost money by putting money down on an Elio yet. Delayed, yes. Lost money, no.

(I worked at GM in Shreveport as most on this forum know and though I can't talk about a lot of what I did there, I can say that I'm surprised it took them as long as it did to go bankrupt.)
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thanks, nicely said, we all need a reminder of the process.
I for one didn't know you worked at the plant. Do you have aspirations to return?
 
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I despise folks like her . She is probably in the same ilk that goes home after a dinner out and trashes the restaurant on the internet for some minor transgression. We all appreciate constructive conversations and voicing concerns but ............
These people are malicious destroyers . They get their wood from bringing down the house .
 
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