The Elio Automatic Transmission

[Sethodine]

I would get mid fifties in my 1991 GEO Metro on the highway, so I am optimistic that the Elio at half as wide and 700 lb lighter will get the MPG. I would run it at 70 mph which is only about 15 mph below its maximum speed and in Utah we have a number of hills/mountains. Although when they started adding in the ethanol I dropped about 4-6 mpg. I am not a fan of the Ethanol and its lower energy density. I would really like to just use good old regular gasoline and keep the farmers growing food. I know I am bordering on political comment, but gasoline really works good in cars.

You can still by 100% gasoline if you look for it. Usually it's at municipal airports for airplanes that require ethanol-free "automotive fuel".

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

http://www.pure-gas.org/

 

[Coss]

http://www.pure-gas.org/

That's the list I was thinking of! Thanks for re-posting it.
I remembered we had a station a mile away from the house.
Price is a little high, but worth it. $3.899 a gallon.

I just filled the tank with mid-grade last Friday for $1.719 a gallon (60 cent discount on Preferred Customer card credits)

 

[McBrew]

That's the list I was thinking of! Thanks for re-posting it.
I remembered we had a station a mile away from the house.
Price is a little high, but worth it. $3.899 a gallon.

I just filled the tank with mid-grade last Friday for $1.719 a gallon (60 cent discount on Preferred Customer card credits)

$3.89 is worth it? You only get a few percent more MPGs on pure gasoline than with E10. So maybe if E10 was $3.75 or more, then $3.89 would be worth it.

Around here, regular E10 is about $2.20. My car uses premium, which is about $2.70. I might pay $2.80 if any place around here had premium without ethanol, but only for performance, not for fuel economy.

I personally don't have a problem with growing fuel.


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[outsydthebox]

$3.89 is worth it? You only get a few percent more MPGs on pure gasoline than with E10. So maybe if E10 was $3.75 or more, then $3.89 would be worth it.

Around here, regular E10 is about $2.20. My car uses premium, which is about $2.70. I might pay $2.80 if any place around here had premium without ethanol, but only for performance, not for fuel economy.

I personally don't have a problem with growing fuel.


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Around here, 100% gas is only 10-15% higher than Regular. About the same as mid grade gas.

 

[Coss]

$3.89 is worth it? You only get a few percent more MPGs on pure gasoline than with E10. So maybe if E10 was $3.75 or more, then $3.89 would be worth it.

Around here, regular E10 is about $2.20. My car uses premium, which is about $2.70. I might pay $2.80 if any place around here had premium without ethanol, but only for performance, not for fuel economy.
I personally don't have a problem with growing fuel.
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Came across this article from Edmonds.com that did a comparison between gas and E15, they found about a 20 to 25% lower mileage using the E15.

https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/e85-vs-gasoline-comparison-test.html

 

[McBrew]

Came across this article from Edmonds.com that did a comparison between gas and E15, they found about a 20 to 25% lower mileage using the E15.

https://www.edmunds.com/fuel-economy/e85-vs-gasoline-comparison-test.html

I didn't read the whole thing, but it looks like they were talking about E85, not E15. Yes, E85 will give you a pretty big drop in mileage. Most cars can't run E85, anyway.

E85 has about 72% of the energy of gasoline per gallon.

E10 has about 98% of the energy of gasoline per gallon.

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[Coss]

I didn't read the whole thing, but it looks like they were talking about E85, not E15. Yes, E85 will give you a pretty big drop in mileage. Most cars can't run E85, anyway.

E85 has about 72% of the energy of gasoline per gallon.

E10 has about 98% of the energy of gasoline per gallon.

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At the very beginning of the article, it says "E85 (85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gas)"
Isn't that the same as E15? Or is E15 15% ethanol and 85% gas ?

There are very few gas stations that sell any kind of E type fuel around the PNW.

 

[McBrew]

At the very beginning of the article, it says "E85 (85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gas)"
Isn't that the same as E15? Or is E15 15% ethanol and 85% gas ?

No, E is for ethanol, and the number is he percentage. Most gas is now E10, or 10% ethanol. E85 is 85% ethanol (and 15% gasoline).


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[Coss]

No, E is for ethanol, and the number is he percentage. Most gas is now E10, or 10% ethanol. E85 is 85% ethanol (and 15% gasoline).

On the pumps around here, they just say "contains ethanol" and they leave it at that.
I can't speak for anything further north than Olympia, it's been 10 years since I was last up in Seattle and places north of there.
That will change with the Elio is sitting in the driveway, I'll take a trip up there just .... just .... just because I feel like it