Is This Ruling Going To Effect Elio Since They Are Following The Telsa Sales Model.

[Bert]

This one has already been brought up. It has been lounging around for Years from what has been stated. No worries, none at all!

 

[bowers baldwin]

http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=201510&RIN=2127-AL15

This proposed new regulatory change would make enclose 3-wheeled vehicles like the Elio meet the safety and emission standards of 4-wheel vehicles in order to be sold.

enclosed cabins, hinged doors with roll-up windows, steering wheels, and side-by-side seating.

It's ok, we're safe...

 

[Grumpy Cat]

http://www.elioowners.com/threads/i...the-telsa-sales-model.4283/page-2#post-129825

 

[floydv]

One argument I would make to NHTSA against this "proposal" is the chilling effect it would have on manufacturers like Elio. In other words, such an attempt to make enclosed three-wheeled motorcycles/autocycles meet automobile safety standards would be that it's prohibitively expensive to make three-wheeled vehicles meet safety standards designed for four-wheeled vehicles. This in turn would serve to strongly discourage manufacturers from coming up with safer enclosed designs for their 3-wheeled motorcycles. The result? Few if any enclosed motorcycles, with more rider deaths that could have been avoided had the manufacturers been encouraged to sell inherently safer, enclosed designs. This would be an ironic and perverse result of a misguided attempt to "protect" consumers.

As someone else suggested, NHTSA's concerns could be addressed easily through mandated disclosures and releases signed by each buyer coupled with autocycle-specific safety standards and testing protocols.

 

[Grumpy Cat]

How about this



Elio Motors’ Focus on Safety
by The Elio Team

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Happy Friday Elio friends and family! Have you recovered from all the holiday cheer and family and friends? We hope your holiday was everything that you had hoped for and more.

January is always a great point for a “fresh start” on many items that we do or know we should be doing more of, or maybe less? We try diets, exercise, renewed commitment to hobbies and activities and many other things to help us get better in all ways. Elio Motors goes through this process too, informally, to see what we need to do to continuously communicate our vision and mission better as well as help our fans both new and long-time learn more about us as we drive toward production.

One area that we want to discuss this week is safety. There are some misleading items that have surfaced recently that mostly stem from incorrect interpretation of old news. We have been aware of RIN: 2127-AL15 proposed rule since February of 2013 when it was first published. Our Governmental Affairs team is on it and continues to watch these and other rules/laws carefully. The GA team feels this particular rule does not impact Elio because of the side by side seating and the fact that the rule has been inactive since 2014. We continue to work closely with individual states and at the federal level to further define what is in the best interest of the consumer and is appropriate for the consumer. We actively support Federal Legislation called “The Autocycle Safety Act” which creates a new category called autocycles which includes appropriate safety equipment.

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The real message is that Elio Motors is committed to the safety of our vehicle. Safety is one of our four main tenets (along with the up to 84 mpg highway and targeted base selling price of $6,800 and made in the USA) so it is a key driver in each or our decisions.

Regardless of how the vehicle is classified, our goal is to build a safe vehicle that we would be comfortable driving and having any of our family members drive.

The Elio Safety Management System is at the core of our safety commitment. The Elio Safety Management System consists of: Three air bags (steering wheel and two side curtain), reinforced steel roll cage, anti-lock brakes, traction control and seat belts (including the LATCH system in the back seat). We have run computer simulations using the same programs that most auto manufacturers use and the Elio returns fantastic results. We will continue testing and refining the safety profile with the upcoming E-series vehicles. We have a large slate of tests to perform, live tests, to prove out the results of the simulations. I know what you are thinking, you are building vehicles just to crash them??? Yes, it is hard for us too, but in order to make sure the production Elio is safe we have to do this now, no matter how painful it will be to watch.

You can see that safety is an important part of Elio Motors and will continue to be as we move toward production and beyond.

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Elio Preview Tour -
January 16-24, Detroit, Michigan; North American International Auto Show, show hours, P5 show

Thanks for your support.


Seems like word spreads pretty fast ........

One argument I would make to NHTSA against this "proposal" is the chilling effect it would have on manufacturers like Elio. In other words, such an attempt to make enclosed three-wheeled motorcycles/autocycles meet automobile safety standards would be that it's prohibitively expensive to make three-wheeled vehicles meet safety standards designed for four-wheeled vehicles. This in turn would serve to strongly discourage manufacturers from coming up with safer enclosed designs for their 3-wheeled motorcycles. The result? Few if any enclosed motorcycles, with more rider deaths that could have been avoided had the manufacturers been encouraged to sell inherently safer, enclosed designs. This would be an ironic and perverse result of a misguided attempt to "protect" consumers.

As someone else suggested, NHTSA's concerns could be addressed easily through mandated disclosures and releases signed by each buyer coupled with autocycle-specific safety standards and testing protocols.

Already been discussed by Elio.

 

[floydv]

Already been discussed by Elio.

Yup, I saw that. What I was referring to is one of the arguments I would make as a private person in a personal comment letter to NHTSA if they ever go through with this proposed rulemaking.

 

[RUCRAYZE]

I see no way that the E could meet safety standards of a car. E.M. has used the "autocycle", to capture the benefits of a car and motorcycle i.e. for HOV lanes and insurance it's a motorcycle.
Far from knowing about the intricancies of testing, I watched crash tests for ratings on YouTube, (and as we know if it's on Youtube it has to be true) ;-) and a few of the tests are really scary- that aside, it's easy to see why, when you check the ratings of cars, there are many who do not have a five star rating. I'm not sure, should the E gets 2 stars, it is rated "safe", of course we never see a car ad that would state anything less than the 5 stars.
Here again, if it were possible - The E has a 5 star rating !!! compared to motorcycles .
also, there is more than one testing agency company, and I recall one of them pulls test cars from dealer lots to be tested.

 

[WilliamH]

I see no way that the E could meet safety standards of a car. E.M. has used the "autocycle", to capture the benefits of a car and motorcycle i.e. for HOV lanes and insurance it's a motorcycle.
Far from knowing about the intricancies of testing, I watched crash tests for ratings on YouTube, (and as we know if it's on Youtube it has to be true) ;-) and a few of the tests are really scary- that aside, it's easy to see why, when you check the ratings of cars, there are many who do not have a five star rating. I'm not sure, should the E gets 2 stars, it is rated "safe", of course we never see a car ad that would state anything less than the 5 stars.
Here again, if it were possible - The E has a 5 star rating !!! compared to motorcycles .
also, there is more than one testing agency company, and I recall one of them pulls test cars from dealer lots to be tested.

I think both the IIHS and NHTSA pull them off the dealers lots.
That's why Elio can't really get official ratings until they go into production.

 

[TCBronson]

If the Elio is officially classified as a motorcycle, then crash test ratings do not apply. If a new classification is created like autocycle, then there could be safety tests that will apply like crash ratings. If the Elio is classified as a car then it will be tested by NHTSA and will receive a crash rating. Because of the way the Elio is designed with a full cage, I think it could rate very high in the crash tests. Just my 2 cents.

 

[RUCRAYZE]

If the Elio is officially classified as a motorcycle, then crash test ratings do not apply. If a new classification is created like autocycle, then there could be safety tests that will apply like crash ratings. If the Elio is classified as a car then it will be tested by NHTSA and will receive a crash rating. Because of the way the Elio is designed with a full cage, I think it could rate very high in the crash tests. Just my 2 cents.

My opinion is worth about 1 cent, although my ex told her attorney I was a zero, (except when it came to alimony )